E3: Nintendo announces 1:1 control addition for the Wiimote

[Julius Seeker]

"Nintendo's upcoming Wii MotionPlus accessory for the revolutionary Wii Remote controller again redefines game control, by more quickly and accurately reflecting motions in a 3-D space. The Wii MotionPlus accessory attaches to the end of the Wii Remote and, combined with the accelerometer and the sensor bar, allows for more comprehensive tracking of a player's arm position and orientation, providing players with an unmatched level of precision and immersion. Every slight movement players make with their wrist or arm is rendered identically in real time on the screen, providing a true 1:1 response in their game play. The Wii MotionPlus accessory reconfirms Nintendo's commitment to making games intuitive and accessible for everyone. Nintendo will reveal more details about the Wii MotionPlus accessory and other topics Tuesday morning at its E3 media briefing."

[Zeus]

I don't get this one. We all know the Wiimote ain't perfect, but it's perfectly fine for this generation, for the next 3 or 4 years. That's what the Wii 2 should fix, not an add-on that'll fragment the market (I can guarantee it'll be packed in with a game). What are they trying to do, counter M$ and Sony in what they expect to be their motion sensing controllers?

1up article, if you care

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168696

[Lox]

Yeah, I'm afraid Nintendo is getting into a "too many peripherals" mode.

[Eric]

If people are stupid enough to buy it(And they are), Nintendo will make it.

[Julius Seeker]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation) so much as it has to do with the upcoming Zelda title Miyamoto wants to make; fighting Stalfos will be quite interesting with this, the control mechanics will be far more capable than what has ever been possible before; not to mention that now there is a very easy interface available for a fully interactive environment.

This won't fragment the market at all, controller add-ons or revisions (including those on the Wii) have never done so in the past.

I personally can't wait to see what sort of games they have for this. Tomorrow should be a very interesting day =)

[Flip]

Ha, wow. I distinctly remember posting a little while ago that the wii controller was not very precise (it was one of a few gripes) and two or three of you fan boys replied that you never had any issues. Now, youre excited for more accurate controlling?... I need to go find that thread for some 'in your face' fun.

[Zeus]

Ha, wow. I distinctly remember posting a little while ago that the wii controller was not very precise (it was one of a few gripes) and two or three of you fan boys replied that you never had any issues. Now, youre excited for more accurate controlling?... I need to go find that thread for some 'in your face' fun.

I'm considered a "fanboy" here yet I'm saying "it's stupid"

[Zeus]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation)

You really are a madman

[Julius Seeker]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation)

You really are a madman

You've never been right on sales predictions, but I have been all along this generation. It is possible PS3 will sell more since it is currently selling at a considerably faster rate than Xbox 360, but the Xbox 360's sales are already stagnating in the US. Even GTA didn't revitalize them. It is currently around 10 million behind the Wii, and I don't see how it will sell 10 million more units at this point in time.

[Julius Seeker]

Ha, wow. I distinctly remember posting a little while ago that the wii controller was not very precise (it was one of a few gripes) and two or three of you fan boys replied that you never had any issues. Now, youre excited for more accurate controlling?... I need to go find that thread for some 'in your face' fun.

1:1 is a different form of control.

[SineSwiper]

You've never been right on sales predictions, but I have been all along this generation. It is possible PS3 will sell more since it is currently selling at a considerably faster rate than Xbox 360, but the Xbox 360's sales are already stagnating in the US. Even GTA didn't revitalize them. It is currently around 10 million behind the Wii, and I don't see how it will sell 10 million more units at this point in time.

Sure, it may have sold more units, but so what? It's cheaper than the 360/PS3, and going towards a higher yield audience (casuals). Try looking at average games per console or average play hours per console, and the 360 tops out at more than the PS2 and Wii combined. Try looking at total game per console. Just how many people have bought and played games for the Wii besides the stuff that comes with it. (The correct answer is 3.69 games to the 360's 4.65 games rate and PS3's abysmal 2.27 games/console rate, at least with the million copy sellers.)

That's the curse of the casual gamer. They are a fickle lot, and since they are "casual" players, they don't play much in video games. Otherwise, they wouldn't be "casual" any more.

1:1 is a different form of control.

It's also a MUCH less lazy form of control. The problem with the "Minority Report" style of control is having to hold your hand position in the same relative state for long periods of time. Expect even more complaints that cause gamers to play the games in shorter sittings than usual.

Twenty years later, we're trying to re-invent the Power Glove...

[Julius Seeker]

Why would you have to have your hand in one state for long periods of time? I don't think anyone will develop a game that will have you do that.

As for the amount of time playing a game according to that chart, I really don't see how you feel it is a positive thing that Xbox 360 gamers on average spend such large portions of their lives playing videogames. Have you considered that there are just a much higher concentration of Wii and PS3 gamers that have social lives? Remember, for the first 18 months, Wii comes out ahead of Xbox 360 in total games owned per console .

[Tessian]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation)

You really are a madman

Remember that Seek only cares about console sales; it doesn't matter that Microsoft told everyone yesterday that they own the majority of last year's game sales (and while Xbox game developers make a good profit Wii game developers are still struggling to turn said profit) it's all about the consoles!!

I wonder what music plays in his head to drown out reality

[SineSwiper]

As for the amount of time playing a game according to that chart, I really don't see how you feel it is a positive thing that Xbox 360 gamers on average spend such large portions of their lives playing videogames. Have you considered that there are just a much higher concentration of Wii and PS3 gamers that have social lives?

This coming from a guy that spends large portions of his life playing videogames. XBox 360 users spend an average of 2:45 hours playing games a day. That leaves plenty of time for a social life, and that means that people are actually enjoying their games.

Remember, for the first 18 months, Wii comes out ahead of Xbox 360 in total games owned per console.

Is this some of your time-shifted math again?

[Julius Seeker]

Remember, for the first 18 months, Wii comes out ahead of Xbox 360 in total games owned per console.

Is this some of your time-shifted math again?

This was reported by NPD.

[Zeus]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation)

You really are a madman

Remember that Seek only cares about console sales; it doesn't matter that Microsoft told everyone yesterday that they own the majority of last year's game sales (and while Xbox game developers make a good profit Wii game developers are still struggling to turn said profit) it's all about the consoles!!

I wonder what music plays in his head to drown out reality

Yeah, that's why I gave up on expanding on my posts or trying to argue for his sake

[Julius Seeker]

I doubt it has much to do with Microsoft and Sony (since neither are anywhere near Nintendo in the market, and it is possible that Wii has already outsold what Microsoft and Sony will sell this generation)

You really are a madman

Remember that Seek only cares about console sales; it doesn't matter that Microsoft told everyone yesterday that they own the majority of last year's game sales (and while Xbox game developers make a good profit Wii game developers are still struggling to turn said profit) it's all about the consoles!!

I wonder what music plays in his head to drown out reality

You're right about how it doesn't matter, because last year was 7 months ago. Wii was released just before the beginning of last year, the Xbox 360 was released in 2005. Aren't you even a little curious as to why Microsoft didn't talk about the last three quarters/9 months instead?

Reality:

1. Wii - 675.1K
2. Nintendo DS - 452.6K
3. PlayStation 3 - 208.7K
4. Xbox 360 - 186.6K
5. PlayStation Portable - 182.3K

01. Grand Theft Auto IV (Xbox 360) - 871,300
02. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) - 787,400
03. Wii Fit (Wii) - 687,700
04. Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) - 442,900
05. Wii Play (Wii) - 294,600
06. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) - 171,100
07. Iron Man (PS2) - 130,600
08. Guitar Hero III (Wii) - 116,800
09. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness (DS) - 107,000
10. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time (DS) - 102,000

The only market where Xbox 360 is close to the Wii

[SineSwiper]

The first half of the year doesn't mean jack shit. If the Wii wants to blow its wad pre-Christmas, that's its own right. Here are the facts:

1. The XBox 360 did more software sales in 2007 than any other console, even beating out the DS and PS2.

2. The XBox 360 and Wii are tied on software sales in 2008. However, the year isn't over yet, and the 360 has a bunch of software due for the second half of the year.

If the Wii starts taking a good lead by the end of the year, you might have something. Even then, I really don't give a shit because most of the games are catered to a casual audience. Almost all of your Wii games listed above are for a casual audience.

And any console sales arguments are invalid because the Wii is half the price of the 360, and again, is catered to a casual (and larger) audience. Let them have their casuals. The real gamers want to play real games.

[Julius Seeker]

The first half of the year doesn't mean jack shit. If the Wii wants to blow its wad pre-Christmas, that's its own right. Here are the facts:

1. The XBox 360 did more software sales in 2007 than any other console, even beating out the DS and PS2.

2. The XBox 360 and Wii are tied on software sales in 2008. However, the year isn't over yet, and the 360 has a bunch of software due for the second half of the year.

And any console sales arguments are invalid because the Wii is half the price of the 360, and again, is catered to a casual (and larger) audience. Let them have their casuals. The real gamers want to play real games.

(Probably should split the thread)


Your link leads to North American sales only, in terms of hardware, the Wii only just recently passed the Xbox 360 (whose home turf is the US market and where the vast majority of its sales take place) Here's things on the worldwide scale according to that same website.. It shows Wii in first in terms of total software sales worldwide. It also shows the Wii selling a lot more software than the Xbox 360 worldwide on weekly basis (last week was double).

Hardware sales are relevant because they influence software sales; except in the case of Dreamcast. The reason why Wii wasn't selling as much software as the Xbox 360 last year is because Wii was brand new to the market and didn't have the userbase or the software backlog; while the Xbox 360 had already been around since 2005 and had already sold millions and had developers working on it long before they had access to the Wii. Pricing is certainly part of an explanation, but it doesn't invalidate console arguments, no reliable source in the world has made that argument; that's like saying sales arguments stating the SNES sold better than the Atari Jaguar are invalid because the Jaguar cost much more money.

[Zeus]

To say that the neither the PS3 nor 360 won't, in their lifetime, even reach the current Wii userbase is ridiculous

[Julius Seeker]

To say that the neither the PS3 nor 360 won't, in their lifetime, even reach the current Wii userbase is ridiculous

Why do you say that? Both are relatively in line with sales of Gamecube and Xbox (the 2nd and 3rd place consoles last gen) over the same time period, and neither reached current Wii userbase levels.

[RentCavalier]

To say that the neither the PS3 nor 360 won't, in their lifetime, even reach the current Wii userbase is ridiculous

Why do you say that? Both are relatively in line with sales of Gamecube and Xbox (the 2nd and 3rd place consoles last gen) over the same time period, and neither reached current Wii userbase levels.

No no, I agree with Zeus on this one--the Wii userbase is big now, but the 360 is gonna catch up. In terms of profits, the 360 gets more money out of their general audience because they charge for Live, so even if it is a smaller userbase, they're milking more money out of them. I think the 360 is really going to pick up once the PS3 goes down.

[Tessian]

it once again goes back to the original argument that the Wii is not targetting the original gamer market that we all know and love; it has found a way to tap a new market and isn't in competition with Xbox/Ps3 for the most part.

I also love how out of that 10 games you listed, #3 and #5 are bundles with hardware accessories while #2 and #6 are in house games. Yeah... cause having all of your games in the top 10 being developed in house doesn't prove the claim above about Wii developers struggling to make a profit

[Zeus]

To say that the neither the PS3 nor 360 won't, in their lifetime, even reach the current Wii userbase is ridiculous

Why do you say that? Both are relatively in line with sales of Gamecube and Xbox (the 2nd and 3rd place consoles last gen) over the same time period, and neither reached current Wii userbase levels.

No no, I agree with Zeus on this one--the Wii userbase is big now, but the 360 is gonna catch up. In terms of profits, the 360 gets more money out of their general audience because they charge for Live, so even if it is a smaller userbase, they're milking more money out of them. I think the 360 is really going to pick up once the PS3 goes down.

I'm just saying that the 360 will easily exceed the 21 or 22 million total userbase in its lifetime

[Julius Seeker]

I'm just saying that the 360 will easily exceed the 21 or 22 million total userbase in its lifetime

That's irrelevant, Xbox 360 has to exceed 29-31 million in order to outsell the current Wii numbers.

[Zeus]

I'm just saying that the 360 will easily exceed the 21 or 22 million total userbase in its lifetime

That's irrelevant, Xbox 360 has to exceed 29-31 million in order to outsell the current Wii numbers.

OK, the GC sold what, 23 million last generation worldwide. You don't think the 360 will pass that by much? I do

[Julius Seeker]

I'm just saying that the 360 will easily exceed the 21 or 22 million total userbase in its lifetime

That's irrelevant, Xbox 360 has to exceed 29-31 million in order to outsell the current Wii numbers.

OK, the GC sold what, 23 million last generation worldwide. You don't think the 360 will pass that by much? I do

Based on what? What do you consider "much"? I am predicting the Xbox 360 to sell 27.5-28.5 million total based on its sales trends.

[Julius Seeker]

Whoah! DS broke the monthly sales record again!

NPD June numbers:


Hardware

NDS: 783K
WII: 666K
PS3: 405K
PSP: 337K
360: 219K



Software

1. PS3 Metal Gear Solid 4 774.6K*
2. NDS Guitar Hero On Tour 422.3K
3. 360 Ninja Gaiden II 372.7K
4. Wii Fit 372.7K
5. Wii Play 359.1K
6. 360 Battlefield 346.8K
7. Wii Mario Kart 322.4K
8. Wii LEGO Indiana Jones 294.5K
9. NDS LEGO Indiana Jones 267.8K
10.PS2 LEGO Indiana Jones 260.3K


Does anyone find that these sales for the 6th month which arrived at 6:00 pm have 6 games on Nintendo systems and report 666K Wiis being sold? Me thinks some greater force is at work here!

Also, looks like MGS4 really boosted PS3 sales.

[SineSwiper]

DS makes more sales than consoles?! SHOCK!

[Zeus]

Look at how much the PSP's sellin' now. I'm curious to see how long it can hold up

[Julius Seeker]

There was a pack in of MGS4 with PS3, and God of War: CoO with PSP. Those fueled sales for this month.

[Zeus]

Of course, I was thinking of getting the GoW PSP.

Still, we'll see. I don't necessarily think the PS3 and PSP aren't going to start ramping up a little

[kali o.]

Yeesh...I just watched the conference video's.

I think Nintendo's was actually worse than the Sony E306 one. Have fun with your flood of dumbed down budget games with attachments.

Ick.

[Zeus]

No one had a good E3 this year IMO. The only games I care to get are the sequels I've already prepaid for a couple months ago (Fable 2, Fallout 3) or ones I've known about forever (Little Big Planet, Rock Band 2). Anything esle you'd really want (RE5) ain't comin' 'til next year. Really, the biggest announcement for me was a freakin' downloadable game. This Xmas looks a little lame, particularly compared to last year.

[Blotus]

This Xmas looks a little lame, particularly compared to last year.

Every year looks lame compared to last year. There are still games from last year I haven't gotten around to playing that I'd like to. But look at all this shit we'll have by year's end (hopefully):

Gears 2
Resistence 2
LBP
SSF2HDR
Bionic Commando
Mirror's Edge (whoa!)
Mercenaries 2 (you can call in fucking nukes!)
Soul Calibur 4
FF4 remake
RB2
GHWT
Fable 2
Fallout 3
Castlevania: OoE
Halo Wars
MM9


My pile of shame is going to be enormous by year's end.

[Zeus]

At this stage, the only things I'll likely even considering brand new are:

MM9
Soul Calibur 4 (almost doesn't count, comes out in a week and a half)
Fable 2
Fallout 3
Bionic Commando: Re-armed (they have to convince me to get the new one)
Gears 2

Other maybes are:
Castlevania Order of Eccelsia (don't care about judgement and I can wait for used)
Little Big Planet (if I have a PS3)
Final Fantasy 4 (I can wait for used)
Left 4 Dead/Dead Space (one of these MAY catch my interest if I can get it for $20 or so)
Rock Band 2 (I'm slowly moving away from those games)

That's really it. If you look at Xmas season, it's Fallout 3 and Gears 2 as must haves.......that's it

[kali o.]

No one had a good E3 this year IMO. The only games I care to get are the sequels I've already prepaid for a couple months ago (Fable 2, Fallout 3) or ones I've known about forever (Little Big Planet, Rock Band 2). Anything esle you'd really want (RE5) ain't comin' 'til next year. Really, the biggest announcement for me was a freakin' downloadable game. This Xmas looks a little lame, particularly compared to last year.

Meh, you are crazy. Sony and MS had good shows...or at least funny because they were both ripping off each other and/or Nintendo. Plus MS dropped the FFXIII announcement, and that's a big bomb on Sony for sure.

As for the rest of the year, it's looking AT LEAST as good as the last:

Fallout 3 (HUGE!) + d/l content
Fable 2
Last Remnant
Infinite Undiscovery
Gears 2
Halo Wars
Banjo
GTAIV episodes
Mirrors Edge
SW: FU
Dead Space (dunno about this one yet)
Too Human (wow, finally?)
Left 4 Dead
LotR: Conquest (hey, it's Pandemic)
Mass Effect d/l content
Tales of Vesperia
Portal 2

Then you got 2009 stuff:

RE5
FFXIII
Dragon Age
KOTR MMO
Star Ocean
Mass Effect 2

Then there was all the downloadable/Live shit (not sure if Canada gets shafted on the Netflix portion though).

That's just the stuff I am personally looking forward to - and just the 360. I think everyone but Nintendo fans can walk away from E3 with stuff t be excited about.

You are just gettin cynical in your old age or something.

[Blotus]

Shit I forgot about Left 4 Dead. Looks amazing.

[kali o.]

You've never been right on sales predictions, but I have been all along this generation.

BTW - ahahahahahaha!

Same 'prediction' 3 gens in a row...just this time, Nintendo didn't come in dead last. Your math is little more than "Nintendo=win".

3rd time is the charm I guess, let those Nostradamus powers shine brother.

[Julius Seeker]

You've never been right on sales predictions, but I have been all along this generation.

- wahahahahahaha!

Same 'prediction' 3 gens in a row...just this time, Nintendo didn't come in dead last. Your math is little more than "Nintendo=win".

3rd time is the charm I guess, let those Nostradamus powers shine brother.

Really? I am quite sure I didn't have the same prediction last generation or the generation before. I would say that judging by the hostile nature of your post that you are just very very angry by the fact that you made such a big deal about your predictions, then being completely wrong. Judging by your post, you're even in denial about the current state of the industry.


By the way. Here, I think you need this: <br>

[kali o.]

I was neither hostile nor crying, but I guess you had to stretch for it so you could include those very lame pics. Lol. Whatever ya say

[SineSwiper]

He knows he's a Nintendo fanboy idiot, so he resorts to name calling and his childish picture posting, as if this was some 4chan or Fark thread, just to cover up the fact. It's like a magic trick, except it doesn't work.

[Julius Seeker]

I was neither hostile nor crying, but I guess you had to stretch for it so you could include those very lame pics. Lol. Whatever ya say

If you don't want lame pics, then don't make lame posts. After seeing how you and Sine so fiercly defend Microsoft and Xbox, yes, of course it makes me laugh just knowing the fact that Xbox 360 is losing. Especially things like Sine's recent overly dramatic posts about Nintendo's betrayal (Yeah, coming from Sine was a big "What the fuck?" moment for me too, but it did make me laugh), I can only assume you're both crybabies.

[Chris]

I was neither hostile nor crying, but I guess you had to stretch for it so you could include those very lame pics. Lol. Whatever ya say

If you don't want lame pics, then don't make lame posts. After seeing how you and Sine so fiercly defend Microsoft and Xbox, yes, of course it makes me laugh just knowing the fact that Xbox 360 is losing. Especially things like Sine's recent overly dramatic posts about Nintendo's betrayal (Yeah, coming from Sine was a big "What the fuck?" moment for me too, but it did make me laugh), I can only assume you're both crybabies.

oh seek. I always knew you loved Nintendo. But not to this level. I got you something.



Now you can take the sharp edges out of the equation when you are pleasuring yourself with the wiimote

[Julius Seeker]

Surprise surprise, ANOTHER gay post from Chris.

[Chris]

there was something gay about me commenting on the fact that you pleasure yourself with a wiimote? What was gay about trying to help a buddy make his nintendo fun more pleasurable

[kali o.]

If you don't want lame pics, then don't make lame posts. After seeing how you and Sine so fiercly defend Microsoft and Xbox, yes, of course it makes me laugh just knowing the fact that Xbox 360 is losing. Especially things like Sine's recent overly dramatic posts about Nintendo's betrayal (Yeah, coming from Sine was a big "What the fuck?" moment for me too, but it did make me laugh), I can only assume you're both crybabies.

That's the really sad part I guess...in your universe, you really believe either Sine or myself actually care whether a given console is "winning", lol.

I can't speak for Sine, but I get all the games I've wanted this gen just from my 360, so I'm a happy gamer. Whether Nintendo sells 100 Wii's or 100 million, you are still fanboy and Nintendo is still irrelevant - to me

[M'k'n'zy]

Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and probally end up pissing off everyone here, but I can't just sit here and be quiet anymore. Am I the only one who thinks this constant bickering is just getting out of control. Am I the only one who remembers the days when people at this place respected the opinions of others, even if they didn't agree with them? I mean yes, there were big arguements, and sometimes threads had to be locked, but this is just getting out of control at this point.

I am saying this not being on anyones side. But if I dont speak up here, this stupidity will just keep going and going. Honestly it probally will even with me speaking up, and to me that is very sad. I know I am not exactly the most frequent poster here out of the long time members, but all this constant fighting is starting to ruin my enjoyment of a community that I have long been proud to be a part of.

I am not trying to say you all have to agree with each others opinions. I see some things here I agree with, some I don't, and some I see on both sides. Am I asking too much to hope, just a small part of me, that we can stop acting like kids? From what I know, the majority of us are adults here. Some of us are married, most have professional carrers, and some of us have even started families. Why don't we try acting like it again.

Like I said, I'm not asking you to just agree with people you don't agree with, and I am not asking you not to argue. All I am asking is that we act like adults and keep things civil. Is that really too much to ask?

I hope not.

[bovine]

are we talking about wiimote attachments anymore?

[RentCavalier]

Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb here and probally end up pissing off everyone here, but I can't just sit here and be quiet anymore. Am I the only one who thinks this constant bickering is just getting out of control. Am I the only one who remembers the days when people at this place respected the opinions of others, even if they didn't agree with them? I mean yes, there were big arguements, and sometimes threads had to be locked, but this is just getting out of control at this point.

I am saying this not being on anyones side. But if I dont speak up here, this stupidity will just keep going and going. Honestly it probally will even with me speaking up, and to me that is very sad. I know I am not exactly the most frequent poster here out of the long time members, but all this constant fighting is starting to ruin my enjoyment of a community that I have long been proud to be a part of.

I am not trying to say you all have to agree with each others opinions. I see some things here I agree with, some I don't, and some I see on both sides. Am I asking too much to hope, just a small part of me, that we can stop acting like kids? From what I know, the majority of us are adults here. Some of us are married, most have professional carrers, and some of us have even started families. Why don't we try acting like it again.

Like I said, I'm not asking you to just agree with people you don't agree with, and I am not asking you not to argue. All I am asking is that we act like adults and keep things civil. Is that really too much to ask?

I hope not.

I disagree with you and thus your opinion is stupid.

I'm kidding, but in all seriousness, I don't think the bickering is at a really bad level--I do notice that there tends to be a sort of "Sine or Seeker against everyone else" theme in most threads, so maybe some toning down in that area, but with the number of rather extreme personalities present here, there's bound to be a lot of bickering--be grateful that the majority of it is light hearted.