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  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #116353  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:54 pm
Intro:

Now I know it has been out for a year and almost 2 months now. Though most of us weren't even able to get our hands on one until later anyway.

So I will start off by saying that it has been a fantastic year for the system as it now is entering the 20 million units sold area; it has outsold the Gamecube in all countries it has been released in outside of North America.


Wii Sports and Casual Games love:

Though, anyway, while major websites are all hailing Mario Galaxy as the game of 2007, I would say that it came a little too late for me to call it that. Then again, I didn't really get much of a chance to start playing it until this year. My game of 2007 could be no other than Wii Sports. While not being the first Casual game, it was the first console game to be famous as a casual game; though the trend it is following comes from the success Nintendo saw with the genre on DS.

What is a casual game? It is a game that is simple to play, and is designed to be easily picked up and put back down. The first successful casual games were MS Solitare, Mine Sweeper, and Reversi. Casual games had remained fairly popular on PC, and started to gain some popularity on Cell Phones and handheld systems in recent years. Despite the term "casual game" it does not necessarilly mean they are designed strictly for "casual gamers" as many fans of these games can be considered "hardcore gamers" or gamers who will sit down and play games for hours, whereas casual gamers more or less play them for short periods of times rather than long term sessions. Needless to say, a lot of hardcore gamers really took a liking to casual games; including myself.

Wii Sports is a great game for parties, I like it better than say, Guitar Hero or DDR, because those games utilize their own music, which is rather distracting during a party (which most of the time has its own music). It's also a game that non-gamer girls love to play, which is very important; it's the type of game that leaves no one out. A great complimentary game is Wario Ware, whose multiplayer mode was my most played casual game section of the last year; and overall I would say 50-60% of the console gaming I did last year was multiplayer between Wario Ware and Wii Sports. So that combo really won me over last year; this year it will likely be Brawl and Mario Kart which are not casual games, but can be described as "party games" which are games that designed more specifically for offline multiplayer (though these ones have online multiplayer too), but are not designed as casual games. It will be interesting to see which games win out between people.


Zelda Twilight Princess and disapointment:

Anyway, at the release of the Wii one of the Launch Titles was Zelda; Twilight Princess which achieved large critical success. Though I admittedly did not have nearly as much fun with this title as I hoped I would have. I found that it had a lot of chore-like fetch quests, and 80% of the time I was playing it was hoping to see if the next part would be good. Since Twilight Princess I have played some of Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, and those games are indeed considerably stronger than Twilight Princess. Graphically, Twilight Princess has some beautiful scenes, but most of my favourite portions of the game were in the first few hours of play, within Ordone Village and the surrounding forest which I felt were fantastic locations. I also enjoyed playing around in Lake Hylia the first time I got lost in there; but other than that, the game seemed relatively in sub-par in comparison to other Zelda titles. My two favourite dungeons were the Desert Temple and the Ice Temple. The boss fights are all really well done, but unfortunately I can't say that the dungeons leading up to them were very interesting; an incredible difference from the other three 3D Zelda's which I felt had fantastic and fun dungeons. The fetch quests in Twilight Princess really killed it for me. The game is very good besides these complaints which I have.


More Zelda, Scarface, and Godfather:

An example of what killed it for me: the first fetch quest (collecting the twilight tears or something) was alright, the second one got on my nerves. The third one took me SIX HOURS to finish. I was really sour on things after that, but it was behind me...... Then I was about to enter the Wind Temple, of course, FETCH QUEST. I played around with it for a while, and then put the game down. I got Godfather and Scarface around this time, and while they aren't nearly as well crafted games, they were MUCH more fun. Scarface is essentially Vice City with a lot more to do; though the music selection isn't as cool for the most part. My complaints with Scarface are: the balance, there are a lot of difficulty spikes; the post-era music, Scarface should have been pure 76-83 music, not Motorhead and crap like that. Otherwise, Scarface is a lot of fun, and the game really benefits from Wii Remote controls.


Resident Evil 4:

Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition. I have already discussed this a lot, EVERYONE who has a Wii needs to get this game, it launched for under 30 dollars, there is no reason why this gem should go unbought. Speaking of Resident Evil, Capcom recently shipped its 1 millionth unit of it, that was back in November; but since they have shipped more than 500K more copies, so I think people are really catching on. Capcom also has Zack and Wiki, I admit, I haven't played it, but apparently the game is really really good, the critics seem to like it but it has been somewhat of a commercial failure. This game might be on my list now due to the Smash Brothers delay in North America.


Metroid Prime 3 and other stuff I didn't play:

Metroid, I passed on. I was REALLY hoping that they would do a third person shooter with this one, but it is another FPS. It was nice for the first few times I played a game like this (Turok 1, 2, and Prime 1; Prime 1 really being just a Turok game with a much higher budget) but I was hoping that Prime 3 would go to a third person view. I am not really much of a fan of the first person view in adventure type games. Prime 3 was relatively well reviewed, and I haven't given it a fair chance, but I have a strong feeling that I don't think I'll like it.

Geometry Wars, this is another fairly well reviewed game, I have only played the Xbox Live version of the game, and I felt it was brilliant; it was like some insane version of Robotron. Although I played it enough that I don't think I would want to go back to it on Wii despite the enhancements.


More Resident Evil:

There is Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles as well, this game is more of a 1 and a 2 player game; in that there are single player designed missions and two player designed missions. It is strange, you can play the 2 player designed missions alone, but I do NOT recommend it at all. In addition, there is a lot of RE lore in this title which is a very nice addition. I am REALLY looking forward to a sequel to this game, and I am excited about The House of the Dead games coming to Wii, which I heard are supposed to be very much like this game. Although it doesn't make much logical sense, the competition between the two players for kills and destruction really adds a lot to the "co-operative" play within this title.

Mario Galaxy, well, you know the story =)




The Virtual Console:

I am SOOOOOOOO happy that this feature was included. I was really happy to get the DKC games, Sin and Punishment, Mario 3, and ActRaiser on the system; these games I have been playing very regularly. I also played much more Street Fighter 2 Turbo than I thought I would (The computer is considerably more difficult than World Warrior or Super Street Fighter 2, I have discovered; and this is why I play so much!). ActRaiser was the first game by Quintet that I played: it was the father of Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, and the youngest and most attractive sister: Terranigma. ActRaiser 2 is more like an adopted son in a new family with a different wife.


Sin and Punishment:

Sin and Punishment, while the title is 1200 points it really is worth it. It is one of the best games to come out for the N64. Similar to Starfox 64, it is an On the Rails shooter, only it is TOTALLY insane. It is developed by Treasure, the same highly acclaimed company that did Radiant Silvergun and Gunstar Heroes. I must say, I really enjoy playing this game, it is more fun than I thought it would be. It is not incredibly long, but it has a lot of replay value.


Closing:

Quite a good first year for the Wii, it was a lot better than the SNES, N64, or Gamecube. The Wii is showing a lot of promise going into the next year (and I just realized I missed several titles of note while writing this); the first half of the year is bringing both Smash Brothers Brawl and Mario Kart.

*Note: this will probably be edited later, there are some things that I didn't cover that I may want to*


BREAKING NEWS:

Sorry to end this off on a sad note, but Retro Games developer Mark Haigh-Hutchinson has died at 43. He is known for his work on Paper Boy, Metroid Prime, and numerous Starwars titles on PC and N64 (Shadows of the Empire).
Last edited by Julius Seeker on Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

 #116354  by bovine
 Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:15 pm
There's a list of the games coming out in the near future for the wii (and the DS) up at destructoid. I'll throw the list down here for your possible drooling or possible hateration.

Wii
Jan. 7: Kidz Sports Ice Hockey from Destineer
Jan. 8: Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law from Capcom
Jan. 15: SAMURAI WARRIORS: KATANA from KOEI CORPORATION
Jan. 15: Furu Furu Park from Majesco Entertainment
Jan. 21: Endless Ocean(TM) from Nintendo
Jan. 22: One Piece(TM): Unlimited Adventure(TM) from Namco Bandai Games America Inc.
Jan. 29: Bomberman Land from Hudson
January: No More Heroes(TM) from Ubisoft
January: CSI: Crime Scene Investigation(TM): Hard Evidence from Ubisoft
Feb. 8: Kawasaki Jet Ski from Destineer
Feb. 11: Go Diego Go!: Safari Rescue from 2K Play
Feb. 12: WWII Aces from Destineer
Feb. 12: Dream Pinball 3D from SouthPeak Games
Feb. 18: MX vs. ATV Untamed from THQ
Feb. 25: Agatha Christie And Then There Were None from DreamCatcher Games
Feb. 26: Baroque from Atlus USA
Feb. 26: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors from Square Enix
Feb. 27: Kidz Sports Soccer from Destineer
Feb. 27: London Taxi: Rush Hour from Destineer
February: Garfield(R) Gets Real from DSI Games
February: Yamaha Supercross from DSI Games
February: Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol Encore from Konami
February: Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30(TM) from Ubisoft
February: BALLOON POP from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
March 3: Destroy All Humans: Big Willy Unleashed from THQ
March 9: Super Smash Bros.(R) Brawl from Nintendo
March 10: Worms: A Space Oddity from THQ
March 25: Okami from Capcom
March 25: OPOONA from KOEI CORPORATION
March: MiniCopter: Adventure Flight from Aksys Games
March: Alone in the Dark from Atari
March: Ninja Reflex from Electronic Arts
March: Obscure: The Aftermath from Ignition Entertainment
March: Target: Terror from Konami
March: Nitro Bike(TM) from Ubisoft
March: Emergency Heroes(TM) from Ubisoft
March: HEAVENLY GUARDIAN from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
March: Rebel Raiders from XS Games
April 15: Castle of Shikigami III from Aksys Games
April: Pro Evolution Soccer from Konami
April: Wild Earth: African Safari from Majesco Entertainment
April: THE MONKEY KING-THE LEGEND BEGINS from UFO INTERACTIVE GAMES
April: Super Pick Ups from XS Games
May 6: Speed Racer from Warner Bros. Games
May 13: The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian from Disney Interactive Studios
May: BlastWorks: Build, Trade, Destroy from Majesco Entertainment
May: King of Fighters: The Orochi Saga from SNK Playmore
May: THE DOG Island(TM) from Ubisoft
June 8: Wonderworld Amusement Park from Majesco Entertainment
June: Catch of the Day from Electronic Arts
June: Ford Racing Off Road from Empire Interactive
June: Cooking Mama Cook Off 2 from Majesco Entertainment
June: Rygar: The Battle of Argus from Tecmo, Inc.
June: DeBlob from THQ
June: Wall-E from THQ
Spring: Mario Kart Wii with Wii Wheel from Nintendo
Spring: Major League Baseball(R) 2K8 from 2K Sports
Spring: Don King Presents: Prizefighter from 2K Sports
Spring: Top Spin 3 from 2K Sports
Spring: Kung Fu Panda from Activision
Spring: LEGO: Indiana Jones from LucasArts
Summer: Deca Sports from Hudson
Summer: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed from LucasArts
Summer: Active Life(TM): Outdoor Challenge(TM) from Namco Bandai Games America Inc.
Q2: Wii Fit from Nintendo

 #116355  by kali o.
 Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:29 pm
*reserving space for when I can think of something clever and insulting to say about the Wii*

And beyond that, I'm disappointed to see absolutely nothing is still enticing me to by one on that release list. Enough with the kid and budget games already.

 #116364  by Eric
 Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:32 pm
It's like Seeker is trying to tell us he likes the Wii and Nintendo or something.

 #116373  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 am
kali o. wrote:*reserving space for when I can think of something clever and insulting to say about the Wii*

And beyond that, I'm disappointed to see absolutely nothing is still enticing me to by one on that release list. Enough with the kid and budget games already.
When a game featuring a witch or a space marine comes out, I'll let you know.

 #116379  by SineSwiper
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:17 am
Dutch wrote:When a game featuring a witch or a space marine comes out, I'll let you know.
That's fine. Also, let me know if a game that comes out features a guy in a diver's suit, a scientist in a environmental suit, a genetically-enhanced police officer, hot alien sex, a car speeding down the streets of France, an AI-unit called Eden, a reporter taking down zombies, a gun/sword-touting half-demon, a Eastern Bloc criminal, a combo-crazy ninja, a post-apocalyptic future, or Frederick Fucking Chopin.

I would look forward to games like that on the Wii.

 #116382  by Kupek
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:53 am
Console wars.

How original.

 #116384  by Lox
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:16 am
The Sega Genesis sucks!

 #116385  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:10 am
Lox wrote:The Sega Genesis sucks!
The Genesis owned the first two thirds of the 16-bit era.................... jackass! =P

 #116387  by Zeus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:22 pm
Dutch wrote:
Lox wrote:The Sega Genesis sucks!
The Genesis owned the first two thirds of the 16-bit era.................... jackass! =P
So? Popular does not equal good. That was the start of the sports era.

How many Genesis games are revered today vs SNES one? There are less than 10 excellent Genesis games IMO. There are that many from each Nintendo, Square, and Capcom for the SNES, not to mention the others.

 #116389  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:44 pm
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:
Lox wrote:The Sega Genesis sucks!
The Genesis owned the first two thirds of the 16-bit era.................... jackass! =P
So? Popular does not equal good. That was the start of the sports era.

How many Genesis games are revered today vs SNES one? There are less than 10 excellent Genesis games IMO. There are that many from each Nintendo, Square, and Capcom for the SNES, not to mention the others.
Mostly because the SNES owned the last third of the 16-bit era which were the boom years when games like Chrono Trigger, the DKC trilogy, and other similar stuff came out.

As for awesome Genesis games: There were the Phantasy Star games, the Lunars, the Shining Forces, the Sonic games. That's more than 10 right there.

 #116390  by Eric
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:00 pm
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165480

Nintendo dominated Japanese sales.

Oddly the only big seller for Sony was on the PSP of all systems, Crisis Core.

 #116391  by Zeus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:42 pm
I ain't a fan of the Sonic games, they're lots of flash with little substance IMO.

Sega CD would add another 5 or 6. There was some really good stuff on there. But in comparison to the SNES, the Genesis really doesn't have a lot of great stuff left over.

And there were some spectacular titles in the early years of the SNES. Hell, Mario World, F-Zero, and Actraiser were all launch titles.

 #116392  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:09 pm
Alright, you just labeled "Sonic games" as "lots of flash with little substance" and then listed "F-Zero" as "spectacular". I see that as a major problem because F-Zero had MUCH less substance than any of the Sonic games and was certainly no where near as good.

In addition, I don't think Mario World is that great, I played through the whole thing last year and found Mario 3 and the Sonic games (all of which I have played recently) and found them to be much more fun and with superior level design.

ActRaiser is a niche title, though it was easily my favourite early SNES title. Was it as good as the games on the Sega side of things? No.

 #116393  by Lox
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:40 pm
Ah, this takes me back to my days in 7th grade.

I do think it's funny that I managed to start a console argument between the SNES and Genesis with a comment meant as a joke. :)

 #116394  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:59 pm
Lox wrote:Ah, this takes me back to my days in 7th grade.

I do think it's funny that I managed to start a console argument between the SNES and Genesis with a comment meant as a joke. :)
You're biased.

 #116395  by Lox
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:00 pm
Dutch wrote:
Lox wrote:Ah, this takes me back to my days in 7th grade.

I do think it's funny that I managed to start a console argument between the SNES and Genesis with a comment meant as a joke. :)
You're biased.
Actually, I was always on the "SNES is better" side of the argument back in 7th grade. :)

 #116397  by kali o.
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:02 pm
Zeus wrote:I ain't a fan of the Sonic games, they're lots of flash with little substance IMO.

Sega CD would add another 5 or 6. There was some really good stuff on there. But in comparison to the SNES, the Genesis really doesn't have a lot of great stuff left over.

And there were some spectacular titles in the early years of the SNES. Hell, Mario World, F-Zero, and Actraiser were all launch titles.
It has to be a matter of opinion then...because I'll tell ya, I love far more games on the Genesis than the SNES (Rings of Power, Might & Magic, Buck Rogers, Shining Force, etc).

Speaking of which, remember when Electronics Arts was a cool developer/publisher?

 #116398  by Blotus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:28 pm
Saturn's for queers with too much money on their hands.

Hey Kali, how was Mass Effect?

 #116399  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:13 pm
I found Genesis to be more my thing due to the strength of its Epic Adventure and RPG department in compared to the SNES before 1994. Phantasy Star was just so much more enjoyable than Final Fantasy until part 6, then of course there was Lunar, the Ys games, the Shining Force games (Nintendo had Fire Emblem which was better, but we have yet to see official SNES Fire Emblems outside of Japan). When fF6 hit, it was over for Genesis though, particularly when it was followed up by Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, and Mario RPG. Then on the platforming level the DKC games, the SNES made the Genesis look quite out of date from 1994 onward.

The SNES had some good games in late 96 but it began to become eclipsed by games like Mario 64, Resident Evil, and Crash Bandicoot. Which was a shame, as we missed out on a lot of really good games (like Terranigma and Treasure Hunter G, which had to be imported).

 #116400  by Blotus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:34 pm
Has anybody played this Treasure Hunter G, Live A Live, or Bahamut Lagoon? These were all games I'd seen in Gamefan, but never emulated.

 #116402  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:38 pm
I have tried Treasure Hunter G and Bahamut Lagoon, both games had a lot of problems in emulation, similar to Mario RPG. Though that might have been 6 or 7 years ago now, and emulator's have improved. There are probably translations for all of these now too.

All I can say is that I REALLY hope they translate them for DS or something in the future. I also want my official portable versions of Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, and Terranigma.

 #116403  by Blotus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:49 pm
I too would like to see a DS Terranigma. Hell, throw all of Quintet's games on there in one cart. The only one I've ever played is Illusion of Gaia (and about five seconds of Terra).

 #116405  by M'k'n'zy
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:45 pm
I know there are working translations of Live a Live and Bahamut Lagoon, and both are extremely fun games.

 #116407  by Zeus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:58 pm
kali o. wrote:
Zeus wrote:I ain't a fan of the Sonic games, they're lots of flash with little substance IMO.

Sega CD would add another 5 or 6. There was some really good stuff on there. But in comparison to the SNES, the Genesis really doesn't have a lot of great stuff left over.

And there were some spectacular titles in the early years of the SNES. Hell, Mario World, F-Zero, and Actraiser were all launch titles.
It has to be a matter of opinion then...because I'll tell ya, I love far more games on the Genesis than the SNES (Rings of Power, Might & Magic, Buck Rogers, Shining Force, etc).

Speaking of which, remember when Electronics Arts was a cool developer/publisher?
They're doin' some OK stuff nowadays. I mean, Burnout Paradise and Mass Effect aren't exactly bad. And don't give me the "they're not EA" argument. They are, that's what EA is now.

 #116408  by Zeus
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:59 pm
And Seek, I do agree that the first two PS games we got were better than the first two FF games we got. PS was THE reason to own a Genesis back in the day

 #116412  by SineSwiper
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:55 pm
What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!

 #116419  by Andrew, Killer Bee
 Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:55 pm
SineSwiper wrote:What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!
Perhaps the fact that nobody talked about your post indicates that it did not, in fact, win the thread? You fuckin' narcissist!

 #116423  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:28 am
M'k'n'zy wrote:I know there are working translations of Live a Live and Bahamut Lagoon, and both are extremely fun games.
I would be extremely interested to play those when they're done; along with Mother 3. It has been a while since I did any emulation.

 #116425  by Chris
 Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:57 am
SineSwiper wrote:What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!
you can cum on my tits if you want

 #116426  by Blotus
 Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:11 am
SineSwiper wrote:What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!
Bald Space Marine = character of the century.

 #116430  by Chris
 Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:13 am
Black Lotus wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!
Bald Space Marine = character of the century.
does he wear a shirt? because if you wear a shirt while fighting aliens you're a fukin pussy.....real men don't need body armor....they go shirtless...in red or blue pants

 #116539  by Zeus
 Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:55 pm
Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:What the fuck? I win the thread with that post, and instead of admitting it, you fucknuts decide to talk about SNES versus Genesis?!
Perhaps the fact that nobody talked about your post indicates that it did not, in fact, win the thread? You fuckin' narcissist!
Likely more a lack of caring than anything