Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up?

[Zeus]

He doesn't have to worry about "that 47% of Americans", huh? Talk about a colossal fuck-up while on the campaign trail:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... ction.html

That seriously has to be up there with worst fuck-ups by a politician. Add in the timing and how it's permeating through the media (not to mention the Obama Super PACs are all over it and won't let you forget it) and it looks like a serious blow to his chances

[Shrinweck]

Palin made numerous references to how Republicans were the "real America" last election cycle... it just makes the pile of their bullshit bigger. Further polarization of the United States has to be some of the most ridiculous bullshit politicians can pull right now. Very dangerous talk that does nothing but promote stuff like the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords.

But really, if people fall for the ideal that letting the rich hold onto the lion-share of the wealth actually results in job creation, then Romney totally deserves the presidency. Really pining on that Game of Thrones-Obama reference to him being better at winning than leading holds true. I'll take the status quo over digging the hole deeper.

Also, Romney says that he will keep healthcare coverage for people with pre-existing conditions but that's got to be one of the biggest lies I've known him to utter so far. It's as viable as cutting taxes while maintaining military funding.

[kali o.]

He doesn't have to worry about "that 47% of Americans", huh? Talk about a colossal fuck-up while on the campaign trail:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... ction.html

That seriously has to be up there with worst fuck-ups by a politician. Add in the timing and how it's permeating through the media (not to mention the Obama Super PACs are all over it and won't let you forget it) and it looks like a serious blow to his chances

Shame on you for letting yourself get sucked in to "leaked" video from May spun into the broadest context possible.

[SineSwiper]

He doesn't have to worry about "that 47% of Americans", huh? Talk about a colossal fuck-up while on the campaign trail:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... ction.html

That seriously has to be up there with worst fuck-ups by a politician. Add in the timing and how it's permeating through the media (not to mention the Obama Super PACs are all over it and won't let you forget it) and it looks like a serious blow to his chances

Uhhh, no. The "worst fuck-up by a politician" goes to... Mitt RMoney for his Sept 11th remarks on the Libya attacks AS THEY WERE HAPPENING... AND HE WAS FUCKING WRONG!!! I mean, a terrorist attack was going on and Americans were dying, including our Ambassador, while he put out a press release. TRMS explains it best:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns ... /#49012673

[Eric]

I think this forum swings pretty hard left, but it's hard not to think his campaign is imploding on itself over the past few weeks or so.

[SineSwiper]

Did somebody get told?

[Zeus]

He doesn't have to worry about "that 47% of Americans", huh? Talk about a colossal fuck-up while on the campaign trail:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... ction.html

That seriously has to be up there with worst fuck-ups by a politician. Add in the timing and how it's permeating through the media (not to mention the Obama Super PACs are all over it and won't let you forget it) and it looks like a serious blow to his chances

Shame on you for letting yourself get sucked in to "leaked" video from May spun into the broadest context possible.

Romney ain't even tryin' to back away from anything he said in there. This isn't being spun, this is him sayin' "yeah, that's how it is" on video and not even denying it.

[SineSwiper]

Romney ain't even tryin' to back away from anything he said in there. This isn't being spun, this is him sayin' "yeah, that's how it is" on video and not even denying it.

RMoney's Rule #1: Double-down on everything you say.

So far, it hasn't helped him much...

[SineSwiper]

[Zeus]

Romney ain't even tryin' to back away from anything he said in there. This isn't being spun, this is him sayin' "yeah, that's how it is" on video and not even denying it.

RMoney's Rule #1: Double-down on everything you say.

So far, it hasn't helped him much...

But he's still trending over 40% of the vote.....

I have never made my hatred for all politicians a secret (Clinton is still my most hated politician; Bush was an idiot, Clinton was a career, top-level politician...and I use that term in a derogatory manner). But what I find particularly offensive is the manner in which the Republicans have conducted themselves ever since they took over The House. They created a fake crisis (debt ceiling) and have done NOTHING but attempt to discredit the current administration. And, in essence, they've been campaigning against the current administration very agressively for the last 4 years. This is something that not only have they not shied away from but they've actually worn as a matter of pride. I would pissed off if I were an American, it's been not only sad but fucking embarrassing.

We all knew there was going to be a changing of the guard once McCain lost but man, it's like goin' back to medevil times here. Although the Tea Party is at the heart of it they're not the only ones. The worst part about it is these tactics actually worked and the politicians who are perpetrating these kinds of backwards-thinking ideals and visions are gaining enough power to have seriously influence, particularly within the Republican party. Since they run The House, that means serious influence, which is really sad. If it were just one or two crackpots, who cares. But it's much more than that.

And don't think I necessarily support Obama. He is an excellent orator (he's gonna mop the floor with Romney at the debates) but he's still a politician....and a lawyer before that. But goddamn, at least he's not holdin' the country hostage to get his way....

[Shrinweck]

Romney is already preparing for the debates.. makes me think he won't be getting as owned as I was hoping. It won't be like McCain doddering about in the background like a crazy person, though.

[kali o.]

Nothing he said strays from the standard party message. It's clear he is talking about getting his message of tax cuts out there and the stance on "Socialist" policy. It gets spun in the broadest context possible and redistributed so drama queens can hold up the jpegs Sine so graciously supplied and run with the message "Romney hates poor people!". It's so stupid.

If you are going to have an issue, have an issue with a REAL issue, not a convienently timed politcal sound byte.

[Zeus]

Nothing he said strays from the standard party message. It's clear he is talking about getting his message of tax cuts out there and the stance on "Socialist" policy. It gets spun in the broadest context possible and redistributed so drama queens can hold up the jpegs Sine so graciously supplied and run with the message "Romney hates poor people!". It's so stupid.

If you are going to have an issue, have an issue with a REAL issue, not a convienently timed politcal sound byte.

You're trying to tell me if the next Liberal leader says "47% of the Canadian population I don't even consider" 7 weeks before an election you wouldn't find it ridiculous? You'd be laughing/bitching about it....if you cared at all about the election, that is.

I don't give a shit how people are spinning it, I never referenced anything but what he said (other than the response to Sine expanding on the US political landscape in general). In fact, I've hardly seen anyone talk about it at all other than Stewart last night (for fun and AFTER I posted), a couple of seconds of flipping channels past CNN (that's where I got the approval rating thing, they had one of their ridiculous boards up; also after I posted), and the article I posted. I was much busier doing other more important things like spending time with my kids and beating the TellTale BTTF game on PS3.

I'm talking solely about what he said on camera not what anyone has said about the situation. I just found it maddening a politician, particularly in this day and age, would ever say anything like that, regardless of who he's talking to.

[kali o.]

You're trying to tell me if the next Liberal leader says "47% of the Canadian population I don't even consider" 7 weeks before an election you wouldn't find it ridiculous? You'd be laughing/bitching about it....if you cared at all about the election, that is.

Put the quote in full context and then ask me that question again. Seriously. You will get a proper answer and hopefully some perspective on why I think getting ruffled over a non-issue is stupid.

[Zeus]

You're trying to tell me if the next Liberal leader says "47% of the Canadian population I don't even consider" 7 weeks before an election you wouldn't find it ridiculous? You'd be laughing/bitching about it....if you cared at all about the election, that is.

Put the quote in full context and then ask me that question again. Seriously. You will get a proper answer and hopefully some perspective on why I think getting ruffled over a non-issue is stupid.

Here's the full transcript. Read it and we can discuss:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... cret-video

[Shrinweck]

He's so SMUG god DAMMIT shut up. I disapprove of him as president on the basis of him being an asshole before anything else. Jesus Christ does he fail at being someone likeable.

[kali o.]

Here's the full transcript. Read it and we can discuss:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... cret-video

I don't need to read it, I know the part people have drama issue with. Romney is talking about people he won't connect with for his messages and he can't "care" about them as far as changing their mind to vote. He didn't say, "fuck those guys, when I am president I won't give a shit about them".

If you want to take issue with his comments as they were actually intended, go nuts, but recognize it doesn't actually deviate for the party policy. Be it Social Security, Taxes, Education, Health care, etc. Don't be a condescending cocksucker either by telling me to do homework.

[Zeus]

Here's the full transcript. Read it and we can discuss:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... cret-video

I don't need to read it, I know the part people have drama issue with. Romney is talking about people he won't connect with for his messages and he can't "care" about them as far as changing their mind to vote. He didn't say, "fuck those guys, when I am president I won't give a shit about them".

If you want to take issue with his comments as they were actually intended, go nuts, but recognize it doesn't actually deviate for the party policy. Be it Social Security, Taxes, Education, Health care, etc. Don't be a condescending cocksucker either by telling me to do homework.

You asked me to put the quote in full context, that's why I provided the link. I thought you had issue with me paraphrasing and I wanted to eliminate that confusion.

And that's what I've always said, I'm only lookin' at what he said not what others are sayin' about it. As a politician vying for office you simply cannot be obtuse enough to say something like that out loud regardless of what you may think inside. Do you hear half of the Republican voters saying "I ain't votin' for no negro!"? No, but I can bet you a ton of them are thinking it. Saying "I'm not gonna concern myself with 47% of the American are lazy and want government handouts and ain't gonna vote for me anyways" is a fucking stupid thing for a politician to say, regardless of whether you like him or not.

That's all I've ever said about this, it was a monumentally stupid thing to say.

[kali o.]

You asked me to put the quote in full context, that's why I provided the link. I thought you had issue with me paraphrasing and I wanted to eliminate that confusion.

And that's what I've always said, I'm only lookin' at what he said not what others are sayin' about it. As a politician vying for office you simply cannot be obtuse enough to say something like that out loud regardless of what you may think inside. Do you hear half of the Republican voters saying "I ain't votin' for no negro!"? No, but I can bet you a ton of them are thinking it. Saying "I'm not gonna concern myself with 47% of the American are lazy and want government handouts and ain't gonna vote for me anyways" is a fucking stupid thing for a politician to say, regardless of whether you like him or not.

That's all I've ever said about this, it was a monumentally stupid thing to say.

Fair enough then - I meant phrase YOUR question in a way that it was honest in the context Romney delivered it (ie. "I don't even consider 47% of the Canadian population [when it comes to reaching them with my message]...").

And I am well aware of what you are saying, my point remains nothing he said is out of line with the actual party policy & platform. The fact that it was delivered in a way that wasn't as "PC" as usual and provides opponents an opportunity to spin spin spin doesn't change that. You are stating it was a monumentally stupid thing to say. I am saying it's the same thing the party has always said, and if you are somehow shocked or sucked into the dramarama, you (broadly speaking) are a fucking idiot for playing either sides game.

If people fall for the outrage, they basically give a free pass to party itself for the policy they champion. "Socialist policies are the bane of Capitalism and all you freeloaders need to take care of yourself!". That's practically the party line for christ sake. If you don't like it, fine, but let's not pretend a moment in time free of politically correct bullshit is a bad thing.

PS - Oh and I have no doubt Obama wins, even before this silly manufactured outrage.

[Zeus]

Not really PC more the words used which leaves absolutely no way to spin it. Strategically, it's fucking retarded thing to say. And it's not outrage from me in the sense that it changes my opinion on anything, it's just shock on how fucking dumb he could be so close to the election.

I have given up on the Americans. If the manner in which the Republicans have conducted themselves over the last 12 years doesn't convince them to punish the party, nothing will. And don't forget, this is a country that voted for Bush....then Bush Jr.....twice. They deserve everything they get, it's just too bad so many other countries (including us) are collateral damage.

And I've always believed Obama was going to win ever since the fake debt ceiling crisis. That really backfired big-time on the Republican party and put the Tea Party in the spotlight, which is not doing them any good with the large middle and undecided vote. And wait 'til the debates, Obama's main strength is how well he talks. If he doesn't completely wipe the floor with Romney (or R-Money, as in Sine's posted pic above), I'll be surprised

[SineSwiper]

I don't need to read it, I know the part people have drama issue with. Romney is talking about people he won't connect with for his messages and he can't "care" about them as far as changing their mind to vote. He didn't say, "fuck those guys, when I am president I won't give a shit about them".

Actually, yes, basically, he did.

[Don]

It's pretty well known that there's like 40%+ of the population that will only vote for one party or the other and unless some kind of major catatrsophe happen they won't change their mind. So far as voting goes you really only do care about the 5% of the guys who is likely to actually change their mind though it might not be something you want to tell the people to.

[kali o.]

Actually, yes, basically, he did.

Not even close to reality.

[SineSwiper]

Actually, yes, basically, he did.

Not even close to reality.

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

IE: "Fuck those guys"

[kali o.]

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

IE: "Fuck those guys"

It's nice of you to cut and paste (sort of) it all, to support my statement about Romney addressing his message not reaching a significant portion of voters. If you are just arguing semantics, yes, the party doesn't pander to poor people or support government handouts (unless it's for the troops...but that's just lip service, not actual legislation). It's not like this is a revelation unless you are someone who really had trouble understanding their...words.

[SineSwiper]

It's nice of you to cut and paste (sort of) it all, to support my statement about Romney addressing his message not reaching a significant portion of voters.

Not mine; that was from the news article I was copying from. Yes, he was talking about two things, but that doesn't discount the fact that he was insulting half of the population, calling them "victims" that don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives".

If you are just arguing semantics, yes, the party doesn't pander to poor people or support government handouts (unless it's for the troops...but that's just lip service, not actual legislation). It's not like this is a revelation unless you are someone who really had trouble understanding their...words.

It's not a revelation to us. Though, to many of his base voters, having this blunt reality of who the GOP really is shoved in their face is causing the entire base to crack. I mean, just look at who he insulted:



The elderly, the poor, the children, the troops, and a small 1% of rich people, which Mitt is probably one of. So, he's insulting himself for one. He's insulting a good portion of his base, for another.

[Anarky]

Dear god this man is a Moron.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ ... ?mobile=nc

On Monday, Mitt Romney offered a remedy to the
problem that caused his wife’s airplane to land
prematurely last week: Allow passengers to roll down
the airplane windows.
Ann Romney’s plane was grounded Friday after the
main cabin filled with smoke. The small electrical
fire caused no injuries, but apparently did cause the
Presidential candidate to forget the dangers of
altitude.
“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place
to go, exactly,” he told the LA Times. “And you can’t
find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the
aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem.”
Air crafts do not open windows because the cabins are pressurized to fly safely at an altitude of tens of
thousand feet. Opening a window in an airplane would seriously sicken the passengers and crew.

[kali o.]

Not mine; that was from the news article I was copying from. Yes, he was talking about two things, but that doesn't discount the fact that he was insulting half of the population, calling them "victims" that don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives".

Thank you for further acknowledging my point. If your issue was the fact that his characterization is insulting, that's entirely different...but it's important to remember this is how the entire party views that section of the population. Romney's fuck up was speaking far more bluntly than usual about it. But is his stance **really** that surprising to anyone? Of course not...it's just the drama of it all.

You should have been already pissed off, before the "leaked" comments.

[SineSwiper]

Thank you for further acknowledging my point. If your issue was the fact that his characterization is insulting, that's entirely different...but it's important to remember this is how the entire party views that section of the population. Romney's fuck up was speaking far more bluntly than usual about it. But is his stance **really** that surprising to anyone? Of course not...it's just the drama of it all.

It's surprising to the majority of the GOP voters, who tend to vote against their interests.

“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly,” he told the LA Times. “And you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the
aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem.”

[Flip]

http://lucilleandmitt.tumblr.com/

[SineSwiper]

Who the fuck is Lucille?

[Anarky]

Who the fuck is Lucille?

Arrested Development. Put it on your Netflix or Amazon queue.

The actress is also the voice actor for Archer's Mother. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0910055/

[Zeus]

http://lucilleandmitt.tumblr.com/

Heh, Gammy....