The Shrine

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-V66P-CWsQ0

Wow, talk about retardation. This guy has to be the stupidest news anchor I have ever seen. I hope he got fired after that interview.

Also, it should be noted that not only did this guy COMPLETELY lie about Ali's statements (I have watched several documentaries on Ali and he clearly stated that his Parkinsons had nothing to do with his pro-boxing career), but this guy used bad evidence when talking about a British study that said MMA had a higher rate of concussions than boxing:

http://www.mmablogger.com/rant/does-mix ... ickboxing/

Essentially he judged whether or not the fighter had a concusion based on how they looked after the fight.

This study here shows quite differently:

http://nanonline.org/nandistance/mtbi/m ... dings.html

This study based on medical reports shows a MUCH higher rate of concussions for boxing than MMA. Amazingly boxing is not the #1 most likely sport to give a concussion, it is #2. The #1 sport is horse riding. Boxing and horse riding are fairly close together and WAY ahead of #3 though (which is rugby).


From personal experience, I find that hockey is the most dangerous sport I have played. With Muay Thai, I don't think I have ever done a full training session without hurting a lot afterwards, but I have only been injured once, a fluke pulled ligament in my knee that took a couple months to heal completely. Even that pulled ligament didn't stop me from doing anything that I had been doing at the time; it just meant that I lost my balance and fell on my ass a few times (especially in volleyball). It might have even healed much more quickly if I had stayed away from any kind sports or excersize for a few weeks. The ligament pull was also a training injury, not from a sparring or match session.

The major point is that boxing has an average of three deaths per year, whereas MMA has an average of 0 deaths in any given timespan (though the study does take into account the one death in an unsanctioned match). Amazingly, Horse racing ranks in at #1 for deaths with an average of 128 per year.

http://www.mmachina.com/en/?q=node/44

This study shows about 1 injury per 3 MMA events. It shows about 1 injury per every 2.5 events. When taking into consideration the study above, 11% of the injuries in MMA are head trauma, whereas 70% of the injuries in boxing are from head trauma. So this is 3.5 concussions for every 100 or so MMA events, and about 28 concussions for every 100 boxing events.

Conclusion MMA is much safer than boxing. But horse racing is by far the most dangerous =P

Fox News sucks.

O'Reily is a tool = to Rush. He tells his viewers what they want to hear and disregards the facts completely.

I was going to say...Seek, why on Earth would you even be outraged about Fox News at this point?

The reputation that they have for saying whatever nonsense they want to, in order to get ratings, is at least in this case well-deserved. O' Reilly is legendary for this.

You should find the "cut the mike" montage someone did of him...

True. I actually didn't clue in that THAT guy was the O'Reily everyone seems to hate on this board. I've never seen him before. I have read about him before. Yeah, I guess it's kind of silly to get worked up over a tabloid =P

Bill O'Reilly does do a good job of catching people off guard, though. He brings numbers to the discussion, albeit sometimes they are skewed or biased (most times they are not), while the other people usually have nothing. When invited on his show you have to know you are going to debate, those two UFC guys didnt prepare at all and looked stupid. The president couldnt even formulate what he considered a major injury or who did the research or anything besides repeating like a broken record, "There has been no death or serious injury in our 15 year existence." It would have looked a heck of a lot better if he pulled out numbers on boxing deaths or horse racing deaths, like this thread. Instead he knew nothing and Bill ripped him apart.

Did these guys think they were going to discuss how great MMA fights are? You have to bring your A game and your backup to the O'Reilly Factor or you lose, badly.

Flip wrote:Bill O'Reilly does do a good job of catching people off guard, though.

That's because O'Reilly has the advantage that he's not interested in honest discourse. If you don't actually care about having a real discussion, then it's easy to catch someone off guard because nothing stops you from being unfair.

For example, if O'Reilly was really interested in talking about that study, he would have provided it to Dana White and Rich Franklin well ahead of time so they could evaluate it themselves and be ready to discuss it. Instead, he brought it out as surprise ammunition. He also didn't provide the details of the study, or provide any context for it. That's not honest discourse.

O'Reilly is a demagoge. He is not a journalist.

Flip wrote:Bill O'Reilly does do a good job of catching people off guard, though. He brings numbers to the discussion, albeit sometimes they are skewed or biased (most times they are not), while the other people usually have nothing. When invited on his show you have to know you are going to debate, those two UFC guys didnt prepare at all and looked stupid. The president couldnt even formulate what he considered a major injury or who did the research or anything besides repeating like a broken record, "There has been no death or serious injury in our 15 year existence." It would have looked a heck of a lot better if he pulled out numbers on boxing deaths or horse racing deaths, like this thread. Instead he knew nothing and Bill ripped him apart.

Did these guys think they were going to discuss how great MMA fights are? You have to bring your A game and your backup to the O'Reilly Factor or you lose, badly.

I thought they did pretty well for being caught off guard. The two guys knew their stuff. O'Reily is a prick to think that he can look down on how people lead their lives. Who the fuck OD'ed on Painkillers and made him God? Rush is just as bad. O'Reily was pulling numbers and facts out of his ass. Dana even called him on it and he quickly shifted. This guy is a total tool. I agree exactly with what Kupek says. It's his show, you put him on neutral territory, those guys would have kicked the shit out of him.

O'Reilly is a bully, pure and simple. I wouldn't be caught dead on that show. It's not a level playing field.

Heh, I wouldn't really know what to call him besides ignorant. I felt that due to the ridiculousness of his "evidence" and comments that he came off as a retard. Sending killer Lions into the Octagon, that has to be about the most retarded thing I have ever heard from someone who is supposed to be a journalist =P

John Stewart would have a field day with this guy =P

I know some watch it for the brutality, but I do think that just about any guy could appreciate the art of MMA if educated; afterall, combat is in our genetics. I don't know if war and murder is (weapons are required, and I am not sure that weapons of war came along that early in the evolutionary scale for human beings), but certainly in many males of most any species, there is combat; though in most cases (at least among larger mammals) the loser walks off, beaten, maybe even severely hurt, but he walks. Yeah, all I'm really saying is that real men do not disrespect martial arts (yeah we can disrespect certain "martial artists" for conduct, but not the art in its purity); but that is just my opinion =)