The Shrine

Does anybody own a wireless adaptor for their 360? The Microsoft one is $130 most places here. I've heard of cheaper solutions, but it all confuses me.

I'll be moving in September to a beautiful apartment where my bedroom and living room are NOT the same room, so I'd like to go wireless. Only it's expensive and I don't know how it'll affect online gaming.

Answers are demanded.

It's not cheap, I'll tell you that.

I originally was unable to wire up my 360, so I bought the Linksys game adapter... it's about $100 but I could only ever get it to work with WEP encryption which can be broken in minutes anymore.

Only other real option (unless another company has a more updated and cheaper adapter) is to bring a laptop with you and share internet with it via wired ethernet. Numerous guides online for how to do this.

I didn't feel like dealing with extra hardware (that might or might not work) so I just went for the official wireless adapter. It works like a charm and is easy as crap to set up.

I also got mine from eBay so it was only about $70 USD.

Lox wrote:I didn't feel like dealing with extra hardware (that might or might not work) so I just went for the official wireless adapter. It works like a charm and is easy as crap to set up.

I also got mine from eBay so it was only about $70 USD.

Does it support WPA / WPA2? As I mentioned my damned Linksys one (which looks like it's originally for the origial Xbox) only works with WEP even though a firmware update claimed otherwise.

I will have to check and see. I don't use any encryption at the moment (just hide my SSID) because the DS only supports WEP so I don't even bother. I thought about MAC filtering, but that is pretty easy to crack too.

Lox wrote:I will have to check and see. I don't use any encryption at the moment (just hide my SSID) because the DS only supports WEP so I don't even bother. I thought about MAC filtering, but that is pretty easy to crack too.

Hahaha hide the SSID? You do know that will only fool the same people that would be stopped by WEP too, right? It's a wireless signal, it's still being broadcasted and will be detected with something as simple as netstumbler.

Lox wrote:I thought about MAC filtering, but that is pretty easy to crack too.

I dunno, is the MAC address unencrypted on the ether?

Tessian wrote:

Lox wrote:I will have to check and see. I don't use any encryption at the moment (just hide my SSID) because the DS only supports WEP so I don't even bother. I thought about MAC filtering, but that is pretty easy to crack too.

Hahaha hide the SSID? You do know that will only fool the same people that would be stopped by WEP too, right? It's a wireless signal, it's still being broadcasted and will be detected with something as simple as netstumbler.

Isn't that what I just said? Didn't teach much readin' in those computer courses you took, huh? I'm an IT guy. I know how WLAN's and signal broadcasting works.

Let me spell it out:
The DS supports WEP only.
I do not broadcast my SSID.
I do not bother with WEP because if the person knows how to find my signal, then they are probably good enough to hack WEP anyway.
I do not bother with MAC filtering because it is also easy to break if someone really wants to.

The point of not broadcasting is to keep my neighbors off, not to make it impenetrable by someone who knows what they're doing.

SineSwiper wrote:

Lox wrote:I thought about MAC filtering, but that is pretty easy to crack too.

I dunno, is the MAC address unencrypted on the ether?

I'm not sure. It was a few semesters ago, but we had a lengthy discussion on it in my Network Systems class. The teacher explained the process of how he would break through WEP and MAC Address filtering. I think he referred to it as "being as easy as slicing through an orange" or something.

It's been too long now and I forget what he said and haven't kept up on it that much.

WEP does stop the people who can use their computer to search for signal but know nothing else, like me. It's good at stopping the casual bandwidth thief

Zeus wrote:WEP does stop the people who can use their computer to search for signal but know nothing else, like me. It's good at stopping the casual bandwidth thief

I'm really not all that worried about it, to be honest. Now, when the Feds kick down my door because someone is using my connection to download child porn, maybe I'll change my mind. But then all I have to do is point them to Ish and I'm off the hook.

Lox wrote:I'm not sure. It was a few semesters ago, but we had a lengthy discussion on it in my Network Systems class. The teacher explained the process of how he would break through WEP and MAC Address filtering. I think he referred to it as "being as easy as slicing through an orange" or something. :)

Well, the MAC packet is layer 2, so it's inside a Layer 1 WEP protocol. Once you crack the WEP protocol, it's a matter of looking at the layer 2 MAC addresses, and encode the ethernet card with the same MAC address.

The only thing to contend with is the conflicting Layer 3 IP address, but Windows will give it up right away, or better yet, just use another IP address.

Blam...internet found!

SineSwiper wrote:Well, the MAC packet is layer 2, so it's inside a Layer 1 WEP protocol. Once you crack the WEP protocol, it's a matter of looking at the layer 2 MAC addresses, and encode the ethernet card with the same MAC address.

The only thing to contend with is the conflicting Layer 3 IP address, but Windows will give it up right away, or better yet, just use another IP address.

Blam...internet found!

That's true. If you knew how to read the data in the frame, you could get the address rather simply.

I know it's easy as all get out to spoof a MAC address. And there are so many potential IPs available on a small LAN like that that finding a non-conflicting IP would be easy too. I should drive around and try this for fun.

Lox wrote:That's true. If you knew how to read the data in the frame, you could get the address rather simply.

I know it's easy as all get out to spoof a MAC address. And there are so many potential IPs available on a small LAN like that that finding a non-conflicting IP would be easy too. :) I should drive around and try this for fun. ;)

The problem becomes the fact that two of the same MAC address are on the network. It's almost as bad as an IP conflict. The router just doesn't know how to route the packets, especially with two different IP addresses in the ARP table. And if you try to steal their IP address, it will get noticed.

So, it's not like MAC filtering is harder to crack than WEP, but it would not work well when the PC is on and/or get noticed quickly.

Well, yeah, if the person is home using the PC and they are having issues getting the information routed back to them, they'd probably notice and call their ISP. Hopefully the ISP would be able to discover what was happening. haha

Fuck. Looking at the back of my router box (which I bought less than a year ago)... It's a D-Link Wireless G. It's range, speed, and security are vastly inferior to D-Link's Gold and Platinum series. Legit or Bullshit? Am I going to have a shit connection if I get the 360 wireless adaptor with this router?