The Shrine

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<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah for Canada. Fuck Iran. Unless they start invading neighboring countries, the US won't do a damn thing.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Most countries won't do a damn thing.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Why should they? I mean, yes it would be nice to get rid of the repressive Iranian regime but the Iranians themselves are responsible for their own government.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>One day, they'll change. I understand that there's a growing population that are in favor of a secular government. Getting rid of militant fundementalists is a whole 'nother ball game.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The US only does a damned thing if they can benefit from it.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I heard that the allied forces of Vietnam and Tahiti saved us all from an alien invasion for a small $10 fee.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Exactly. We only want what's good for us (naturally) and other nations only want what's good for them FROM us... Often there is an inconsistency.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You want us to invade Iran because of a dead Canadian journalist?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>"So now I live, I plan, I do, all in the service of my own interests. In that, I believe I am not unique in the universe."</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Wars have been started over cattle before, back in the day.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yes. And?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Heaven forbid that self-interest play any part in a country's actions.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's coo, but I hate how the US says "we're doing this for the better of this country or for the world". That's the bullshit part</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Again, that's coo, just don't spew out some different shit</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It's OK, as long as they don't come out and say something different</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Does it matter either way? You're blowing it out of proportion.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I'm saying that anything can set something off.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No... i want that fucking shithole country to do what we say when some of their mongrel citizens beat to death a Canadian woman for no reason</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah, well they only do that to gain support from other nations... If we can convince them that it's in their best interest then we can get what we want alot easier.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>By 'us' do you mean Canada? Were you asking me or Vic? Because I'm American and I was saying that I don't want my country going into any more wars... Afghanistan was enough. You Canadians however can feel free to do as you please with Iran.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>My mistake. I read your post as expressing regret over the lack of U.S. action.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>No disagreements here.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>So did I.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Of course, it's just your foreign policy is all BS. Just say "we're out to expand the great empire of the US" and get it over with</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Blowing it out of proportion? I was making a point on how I believe your foreign policy is just bullshit. It's not like I'm sitting here getting all flustered or shit, just making a point</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>As if Palestine's is any better.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah but like I said, that would make everybody all pissy and harder to conquer.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah but like I said, that would make everybody all pissy and harder to conquer. :)</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Eh, we gotta pretend to have the moral high ground on this kinda stuff. It's tradition. :)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Pointing out something that is worse off doesn't make the situation any better. If I said that P-Diddy's music sucked ass and somebody says "Well, at least it's not country", that doesn't automatically make P-Diddy's music any better.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Keyword: Militant, with a base word of "Military".</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Are you on drugs?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Uhhhh...no.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Eh, he made a pretty valid statement there Joe.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I thought so too</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>His "valid statement" is dumb. The US is not perfect but it's not "bullshit" either. When Sine tried to relate Zeus's political statement to rap music....well...if you think it's valid...then you're truly living in an MTV world.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>It doesn't matter if we're talking about politics or the quality of farts, the method of "Well, at least it's not this" or "I don't see you doing any better" is a classic, and ultimately pointless retort to any argument.

In any case, the US's foreign policy on just about anything is horrible, and it is especially dangerous since the US actually has an army to back up its horrible decisions, which have cost millions of lives. I'm not even talking about Iraq. Tell me why we're spending a billion dollars in Columbia to fight the war on (some) drugs. Even if I did support that effort, I'd think that it would be better spend on our own soil, instead of using the money to spend on Blackhawks to gun down druglords. Oh, but of course it's not on own our soil, because we have laws that give people fair trials, so we use the money to fund more brutal forms of "justice" in other countries.

This is one of many examples of the US's "foreign policy" at work.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You're right, it doesn't change anything. However, it can put things in perspective.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>It had nothing to do with rap music, even I could understand that.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>No one's arguing that the US policies are great. But horrible? When we spend billions on aid to other countries when they have axperienced natural disasters, that's horrible?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Turn off the TV.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/reque ... st.html</a>

Billions? Try $25 million, total, for disaster releif. Americans often think we spend more on foreign aid than we really do. I'm not sure why.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>When the US government says BILLIONS...it's not a billion per year, but the total they are willing to give to a country. Like recently, the US accounced it has a BILLION dollar aid for Afganistan. That's why we CORRECTLY say BILLIONS. Fair enough for ya?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Well, that's not disaster relief, is it? But keep in mind much of that money is going to American companies that have contracts to help rebuild infastructure. Some of the aid is essentially subsidies.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Who cares? It's still money!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, it's our money going to ourselves. Therefore, I don't think that would count as -foreign- aid.</div>