The Shrine

I got $20 on the interwebs winning this one.

5 - 6 articles about this on the past 2 pages of Digg. This rivals almost all politcal news and posts of lol cats.

These guys really got it out for them.

Ruminate.

Why would you want to get rid of Scientology? It's the solution to the worlds problems as proven in the following video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

And shit like this is NOT FUNNY

http://www.cinematical.com/2008/01/23/j ... om-cruise/

The internet is looking for the cheapest abortion of Scientology possible. This means the coat hanger is definitely an option.

This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

The Sci-fi religion doesn't put our lives in danger, duh.

It's just funny because neither side has any possibility of destroying the other... the internet won't kill off a religion and a wacko religion certainly won't destroy the internet... so what's the point aside from giving scientology more press?

Eric wrote:

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

The Sci-fi religion doesn't put our lives in danger, duh.

I agree, this group called the Internet seems like a bunch of cowards!

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

While I don't have the utmost faith in Judochristianity, Scientology is a dangerous cult, through and through. It brainwashes people (literally), steals thousands of dollars from each of its members, and many members have alienated their families or committed suicide.

Scientology is even more dangerous than organizations like the KKK, because at least millions of people crying out "it's just their religion" will jump out and support them. It's -NOT- a religion! It is a product of a fucking sci-fi writer, designed to extract money.

Mormonism isn't far from it, but at least they try to use their money to do good and improve lives.

Eric wrote:

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

The Sci-fi religion doesn't put our lives in danger, duh.

Not directly....

SineSwiper wrote:

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

It brainwashes people (literally), steals thousands of dollars from each of its members, and many members have alienated their families or committed suicide.

I think you just described all religions :-)

Scientology cured me of my fagballs

Zeus wrote:I think you just described all religions :-)

Nah, I don't think so. Extremist Islamism would be the closest example I could think of.

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote:I think you just described all religions :-)

Nah, I don't think so. Extremist Islamism would be the closest example I could think of.

Crusades IV, coming soon to a religion near you.

Yes, Eric, and this is why we have separation of Church and State.

SineSwiper wrote:Yes, Eric, and this is why we have separation of Church and State.

In god we trust.

SineSwiper wrote:Yes, Eric, and this is why we have separation of Church and State.

Not according to your money you don't

I agree with you on that, but at least we don't have the church declaring war... bah, nevermind, I'm not even going to get into that mess.

SineSwiper wrote:I agree with you on that, but at least we don't have the church declaring war... bah, nevermind, I'm not even going to get into that mess.

Well, the church is basically a big business.......

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote:I think you just described all religions :-)

Nah, I don't think so. Extremist Islamism would be the closest example I could think of.

So Scientologists are engaging in global terrorism and warfare? I haven't heard about anything like that.

Well, more along the lines of Extremists brainwashing their members, and turning them into suicide bombers for the cause. They don't attract too many rich people, so they use them as bombs.

Well a degree of brainwashing goes along with just about everything in society. Especially capitalist western society, otherwise it just wouldn't work.

Zeus wrote:

SineSwiper wrote:

Dutch wrote:This seems rather pointless. Why don't they try to get rid of Judaism and Islam isntead to end greed, suffering, and war accross the planet?

It brainwashes people (literally), steals thousands of dollars from each of its members, and many members have alienated their families or committed suicide.

I think you just described all religions :-)

It doesn't sound too much different than the Bush administration either now that I think about it.

SineSwiper wrote:You steal men's souls! And make them your slaves!

Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

ROFL. That actually reminded me of the AYB video for a second. (IE, the same quote repeated in different settings.) I think we should start a new thread that has mock conversations based on quotes like that.

I think deep in the future, during the new era, people will look back on this period as the great persecution of the Scientologists and their Cruise. Just think, what we consider to be the modern era may largely fall into the new BC (Before Cruise) era.

Before you judge Scientology first you have to look at other religions. Who do you trust more?



Tom Cruise


The Pope

or


Sean Connery

Scientology very well could become a mainstream religion in the future, and like all mainstream religions, it will water itself down and most things that people now object to will be absent. A great example of this is Mormonism. In it's original form, it was pretty bad. But now it's no more crazy than other branches of Christianity.

But Scientology in it's current form is terrible, and I have no problem calling it out as such. You can dress up your craziness and harmful ideas however you want, but I don't have to respect them just because you call it religion.

I give Scientology points for not hiding the fact that it was invented by a fucked up slightly-above-average science fiction writer (as opposed to being the word of god)... but then it loses all those points and then some for its followers not admitting to that fact.

You get a lot more credit in my book if you're going to be honest about the origins of your religion. Your religion wasn't created by an invisible space wizard or a being that lives in the center of the earth-- it was thought up by a man just like you and me who decided to write their beliefs and teachings in a book and preach it to the world. The quicker you quit pretending it's more than that the better off and happier we all can become.

Kupek wrote:Scientology very well could become a mainstream religion in the future, and like all mainstream religions, it will water itself down and most things that people now object to will be absent. A great example of this is Mormonism. In it's original form, it was pretty bad. But now it's no more crazy than other branches of Christianity.

So says you. I think Mormonism is second in the "crazy, let's rob people of their money and sanity" quote-religions-unquote. The goddamn thing was created by an ex-con man, and Mormonism is the only "religion" besides Scientology that demands large sums of money to become a part of their base.

Both religions are filled with blatant bigotry and a creation story that would make any other person's head hurt with how amazingly stupid it is.

Christianity is at least geared towards helping people, and most claims of bigotry in the bible are usually misinterpretations. (The OT still had some hardcore stuff, but Christ was smart enough to separate the two religions. If only they had separated the two bibles, we wouldn't have Christians who think they should follow Jewish beliefs.)

Tessian wrote:I give Scientology points for not hiding the fact that it was invented by a fucked up slightly-above-average science fiction writer (as opposed to being the word of god)... but then it loses all those points and then some for its followers not admitting to that fact.

You get a lot more credit in my book if you're going to be honest about the origins of your religion. Your religion wasn't created by an invisible space wizard or a being that lives in the center of the earth-- it was thought up by a man just like you and me who decided to write their beliefs and teachings in a book and preach it to the world. The quicker you quit pretending it's more than that the better off and happier we all can become.

Most people who buy Dianetics don't know about the connection between it and Scientology. They simply read it and then get introduced to CoS somewhere in the book.

The entire point of "clearing" a person during the first levels is to make their mind so numb and suggestive that when they are finally introduced to the actual creation story (after several months or even years), their mind doesn't immediately reject it as total batshit insanity, like any normal person would. Many people, even with all of the tests, still falter at this story. Some of them don't seem to filter it in well, then get kicked out because the church notices that they aren't going to make it. Others still had a difficult time with it, but eventually accepted the story. Tom Cruise was one of the latter.

Of course, to make it, you have to accept everything completely. The point of the e-meters is to make sure that you unconditionally believe in everything that CoS stands for. Also, the frame of reference for CoS members is that Hubbard "discovered" the truth, and wasn't writing fiction. So, you can't say that they get any points for thinking that it's "invented" because they simply don't believe that.

The Internet has been a crippling thorn in CoS's side because people get educated on how incredibly stupid the creation story is before they get indoctrinated, and thus, they never get suckered into the church in the first place. CoS has tried and tried to censor it out, but it's a losing battle. Pandora's Box is already open.

I'm well aware of the craziness behind the start of the Mormon church. Which is my point. It has mainstreamed itself so that it looks nothing like that now. I'll accept Mormonism is still crazy, but I reject the idea it's any crazier than, say, the Catholic church or evangelical Southern Baptists.

All religions are started by zealots. But zealots only attract a small number of people. Devout, but small. In order to gain wide acceptance, all religions need to temper themselves. Scientology will do the same, or it will die.

I think the obvious difference here between Mormonism and Scientology is that the latter is a present-day (see whut I did thar?... sorry) joke/money-making device, and with the education and wide spread information today about Scientology, it simply won't last. The two may have been similar beasts if Scientology came into existence 100 years ago, but I don't think it stands a chance today. The Mormon Church had incredibly suggestive origins, but I think by this point they've downplayed a lot of that Joseph Smith's mythical bullshit. I could be wrong.

Sine, enlighten us on this:

"So says you. I think Mormonism is second in the "crazy, let's rob people of their money and sanity" quote-religions-unquote."

Does the CoJCoLS require cah donations?

Black Lotus wrote:Does the CoJCoLS require cah donations?

Yeah, mormons are required to pay 10% of their gross annual income as tithe.

Hahahha... alright, I didn't know that.

I guess for some reason I thought Scientologists admitted it was created by a man... but they have deified that man so that doesn't count.

My original claim still stands-- I think the world would be a much better place if every religion could just admit and come to terms with the fact that it was created by a normal human being.

Black Lotus wrote:Hahahha... alright, I didn't know that.

What? You think "Six Flags Over Jesus" came about from mere donations?

SineSwiper wrote:So says you. I think Mormonism is second in the "crazy, let's rob people of their money and sanity" quote-religions-unquote.

Well, from the Talmud:

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Sanhedrin 57a: A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.

And also in Sanhedrin 57a - When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty.

Sanhedtrin 58b - If a gentile strikes a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

And more from Sanhedrin 57a - What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b - If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full.

Digg topics...

Half that Obama won Maine, the other half, Anon's little stunt this weekend.

found this amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBDzzL3Kzpk&feature=user

Anarky wrote:found this amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBDzzL3Kzpk&feature=user

I like the "OT III WTF?!" sign. (OT III is the level where you learn the creation story.)