The Other Worlds Shrine

Your place for discussion about RPGs, gaming, music, movies, anime, computers, sports, and any other stuff we care to talk about... 

  • Houses are expensive

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.

 #122272  by SineSwiper
 Wed May 28, 2008 7:50 pm
You buying a house?

 #122275  by Zeus
 Wed May 28, 2008 7:56 pm
Ain't the US market prime for purchasing real estate now? Prices can't get too much lower, can they?

 #122284  by Flip
 Wed May 28, 2008 9:39 pm
Zeus wrote:Ain't the US market prime for purchasing real estate now? Prices can't get too much lower, can they?
Well, a lot of areas are continuing to depreciate. While rates and prices are low, its harder to qualify for a loan and almost all loans are asking the typical 20% down again. Gone are the days of 100% financing unless you have ridiculous credit or are willing to pay PMI or a high rate on a small second mortgage. Plus, its hard to predict that the housing market will surge again, you might buy now and have your neighborhood stay the same price for 10 years, hardly a good investment if you have 20% of a purchase price laying around that could be earning you more while you rent.

Arguments can be made both ways.

 #122286  by Imakeholesinu
 Wed May 28, 2008 11:07 pm
I think we need a separate topic for this but I'll wait for a mod to move this out of the thread.

Yes, I'm in the market. Met with my lender this evening and we talked worst case scenario. Definitely going with an FHA loan (30 year fixed) Highest interest rate I was looking at was 6.5% but here's the kicker. Reason why it is high is because of my Credit score. Credit score is high because Experian, Trans Union and Equifax don't know how to tell Social Security numbers and Middle Intials from one another. Thus I have all of my dad's CC's on my CR. I will be calling to have this taken care of, then hopefully it will boost my score a bit higher during the next cycle and hopefully get me a better rate on a loan.

I told the lender I don't want anything over $110,000 so hopefully my payments will be around $800-$875 if I come up with the 3% down-payment which is definitely doable in the situation I'm currently in.

 #122290  by Zeus
 Thu May 29, 2008 9:24 am
Imakeholesinu wrote:I think we need a separate topic for this but I'll wait for a mod to move this out of the thread.

Yes, I'm in the market. Met with my lender this evening and we talked worst case scenario. Definitely going with an FHA loan (30 year fixed) Highest interest rate I was looking at was 6.5% but here's the kicker. Reason why it is high is because of my Credit score. Credit score is high because Experian, Trans Union and Equifax don't know how to tell Social Security numbers and Middle Intials from one another. Thus I have all of my dad's CC's on my CR. I will be calling to have this taken care of, then hopefully it will boost my score a bit higher during the next cycle and hopefully get me a better rate on a loan.

I told the lender I don't want anything over $110,000 so hopefully my payments will be around $800-$875 if I come up with the 3% down-payment which is definitely doable in the situation I'm currently in.
Fuck me, 30 year fixed? I only wish I coulda done that when I bought my house. I was able to get a rate of 4.5% fixed for 5 years and I woulda gone as long as they let me. I'm never gonna see it fixed that low when I renew in a year and a half. Because of that low rate, my weekly payments, and overpaying by $40 a week, I've actually got right around half of my mortgage (included taxes) payment every week going directly to principle. At this rate, I'll have my house paid off in another 15 years (been there for just over 3). When I have kids and I have to renew (likely around the same time) there's no way I can keep up that pace. Being able to lock in that rate woulda helped a lot though.

I live 40 miles west of the Toronto area and you can't even get a small condo for $110,000 where I am. Where I am it's exactly the opposite, our market has been going insane for the last 5 years or so. When I purchased 3 years ago (well, over 3 1/2 when I finalized the offer; took over 4 months later) it was during what was thought was a peak in the market. The very low interest rates were a part of that. Well, my house has gained approx. 18-20% in value since. Great for me now but it's a starter home, I'm gonna get killed when I try to move to another home. I have to watch it and try to catch the market in a downturn. Smaller homes tend to hold their value a little bit better and I'm hoping we've done enough good upgrades to command a decent price.

And I completely agree, the credit companies are the devil's spawn. I fucking hate the very idea of a central credit bureau, all it does is help the financial institutions while at the same time punish the consumer. They can make a fucking mistake (they have) and ruin your credit and there's no accountability to make them fix it.
Last edited by Zeus on Thu May 29, 2008 11:03 am, edited 1 time in total.

 #122293  by Lox
 Thu May 29, 2008 10:59 am
My mortgage is a 30 year fixed rate and a 15 year fixed rate (I had to split it so I wouldn't get hit with "mortgage insurance" since I didn't have a 20% down payment...retarded). But for $110,000 you couldn't get anything decent around here. My townhouse is probably worth $220,000 and it's not even an end of row. It's ridiculous.

 #122295  by Kupek
 Thu May 29, 2008 1:09 pm
My brother bought a one bedroom condo in northern VA (part of the DC area; Falls Church to be precise) for $400,000.

 #122301  by Shellie
 Thu May 29, 2008 6:48 pm
Heh we bought out 2100sqft 5br 2ba(rooms are small sounds like more than it is) house for 106,000 with a 30 year fixed. 5.75% interest I think..I dont remember for sure.

We got a good deal on this one because they were about to foreclose. It needs work, and we've reduced it down to 4br 2 bath. We wanted a house we didnt need to move out of in 5 years, so we got a big house that needs some work.

 #122302  by Andrew, Killer Bee
 Thu May 29, 2008 7:05 pm
Thread split please!

We bought a 3 bed 1 bath. We'll probably have to look for a bigger place in a few years.

Fuck me at your house prices, though. We paid $275K for our place and it was an absolute bargain, and no bank will fix rates for more than a few years over here. Our loan is 100% variable, and the rate is sitting at well over 8% right now. Brutal. Fuck our resources industry and the inflationary pressure that China is putting on us!

 #122304  by SineSwiper
 Thu May 29, 2008 7:21 pm
Things to say away from:

Interest-free loans (if you get one, you truly don't deserve to be in the gene pool)
Variable-rate loans (rates are at their lowest, so why do that to yourself?)
Payments above 25% of your income (don't buy what you can't afford)

Also, we thought we were going to be overpaying our house, and really with the two-week payments, we sorta are. However, a loan collects a lot less interest than CCs, so just go ahead and pay those off first. Hell, once you do that, just put the extra money into mutual funds, and it would get more money than the interest from the loans.

 #122305  by Andrew, Killer Bee
 Thu May 29, 2008 7:52 pm
Veeery different market over here. Most Australians in capital cities would find it impossible to buy a home if they were restricted to spending 25% of their income on repayments. (Repayments on our place, which, as I said, was a bargain, take up 35% of our combined gross incomes.) Rental rates are high and availability astronomically low, too, which is forcing people into the market who would otherwise rent. It's fucked all around.

Australians have an unfortunate inclination to invest in property; this combined with our state and local governments' pretty heavy restrictions on zoning (and a million other factors, of course) means that demand has been stupidly high for years, and is likely to increase as interest rates come down.

On interest rates: they've been soaring over here over the past few years, and are likely to remain so for the next few months. Our resource boom continues and the reserve bank keeps ratcheting rates up to keep inflation under control. If we're lucky our interest rate will hold before it comes down, but at least one more rise is possible. You'd have to be mad to get a rate fixed for more than a couple of years over here as they're (hopefully, heh!) going to come down in a year or two.

What in the hell is an interest-free loan?

 #122308  by Imakeholesinu
 Thu May 29, 2008 9:16 pm
Well, nothing is set in stone. I've got a good faith letter. Also I got a call from Salliemae (ZEEE DEVILLLL). Apparently the word is out and they know who I am. Fucking vultures. Talked to their Quicken Loans guy, wanted to rush me in to a loan and lock me in with no pre-approval letter. I told the dude to fuck off.

Anyway, until the credit score gets fixed I'm not budging.

 #122315  by kali o.
 Thu May 29, 2008 11:43 pm
Man, all you guys got it good on prices. I live in my smallest condo (1bdr & den) and it's about $375k if I sold it. Not even a great building, comparitively.

 #122317  by kali o.
 Fri May 30, 2008 12:11 am
Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:Where is your unit, Kali?
Vancouver BC, Canada. I always hear it's a similar market to Sydney...but I've never looked into that myself.

 #122318  by Andrew, Killer Bee
 Fri May 30, 2008 12:22 am
Ahh, right. Houses are exxy all over Australia, but Sydney is particularly bad.

 #122326  by Zeus
 Fri May 30, 2008 12:02 pm
kali o. wrote:Man, all you guys got it good on prices. I live in my smallest condo (1bdr & den) and it's about $375k if I sold it. Not even a great building, comparitively.
Heh, I got my 1200 sq ft bungalow (equivalent sized downstairs) with 3 bedrooms (slightly smaller but not tiny condo-sized or anything), 2 baths, and a 50x105 property for $187,500. It's worth around $225,000 now.

In downtown Toronto, to get a condo for around $200k, you're looking at about a 600 sq ft bachelor. And at least $300 in CAM fees on top of that. You guys in Vancouver are even more than that, huh? Damn. This is why I live just outside the Toronto commuting range.

 #122335  by Shellie
 Fri May 30, 2008 3:04 pm
Geez, I'm glad I live in Ky now. I watch those house flipping shows and I see what theyre paying for a house in CA that has been taken over by squatters and wouldnt be fit for any human to live in....twice or more what we paid for our house. I mean with a 275k+ house what the hell is your monthly payment with insurance and all that added?

 #122336  by Chris
 Fri May 30, 2008 3:16 pm
Seraphina wrote:Geez, I'm glad I live in Ky now. I watch those house flipping shows and I see what theyre paying for a house in CA that has been taken over by squatters and wouldnt be fit for any human to live in....twice or more what we paid for our house. I mean with a 275k+ house what the hell is your monthly payment with insurance and all that added?
that's what I love about Eugene Springfield.....on one side of the highway a house in half a mil + on the other side of the highway (we're talking 100 feet) that same house would be 200k and that's probably asking too much.....

 #122345  by SineSwiper
 Fri May 30, 2008 5:57 pm
Our mansions are about $500K. I don't think we really have a house thats in the 7 digit range.

 #122389  by Zeus
 Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:56 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Our mansions are about $500K. I don't think we really have a house thats in the 7 digit range.
There's tons of them here in my city. You guys have it lucky down there. If you can get a good, steady job with a market like that, you've set home-wise

 #122419  by Imakeholesinu
 Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:18 pm
You all are going to shit bricks but I just looked at some foreclosures online and they start @ $39,999 and go up. The first four houses I looked at online with my agent were sub $100,000.

 #122422  by SineSwiper
 Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:19 pm
Hehe, good time to buy?

 #122423  by Zeus
 Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:23 pm
Imakeholesinu wrote:You all are going to shit bricks but I just looked at some foreclosures online and they start @ $39,999 and go up. The first four houses I looked at online with my agent were sub $100,000.
Exactly the opposite here. I'm looking to get into some investment properties and am struggling to find anything in my area where it's just close to breaking even with full occupancy.