The Shrine

Just watched the match with Mir.

Lesnar is an asshole. And all of that upper-body strength really make me wonder if he's juicing.

*makes...

Hard to tell. I don't see any massive bulging veins, which is usually a sign, but not all juicers use the stuff that dilates them massively to increase bloodflow, and that guy is AWFULLY big.

He kind of reminds me in build of Jay Cutler, too, and that guy ought to be named "Caprisun."

None of that is formal proof, but I wouldn't want to have to vouch for the dude's innocence in court.

Hell, though, most athletes in the modern era ought to wear a little pin with the Caprisun logo on it around to identify the secret steroid/banned-supplement brotherhood and sisterhood to each other. It's an awful problem. The lies are worse than the steroids.

In my admittedly limited (but still present) experience hanging around gyms and hobbyist bodybuilders, I have to say I have not met any people I completely trust as "natty" (natural; i.e., no juice or supplements) who have ever been capable of getting that big...

The best clue I've seen as to the bodybuilders and pics I really trust as natty is that, no matter how muscular the rest of the body is, the forearms aren't veiny and bulgy, and still retain a leanness to them compared to the rest of the frame. But I'm no medical expert, and not the terribly trusting sort all the time, either, as some may have noticed here. So, who knows?

Must be an old pic or something, he looks so young.

That's him, right? It was one of the pics I found under his name, looks like all the others I know of him, but much younger...I picked this one because for some reason his face is bright red as a beet and he looks like he's about to have a stroke.

I think Lesnar almost certainly used to be on the sauce - it's pretty much a given with entertainment wrestling. They test him now, but... yeah. I wouldn't be surprised.

Although I also wouldn't be surprised if Mir was juicing. He put on about 25 pounds since July - and he wasn't fat for this fight. He weighed in at 264.5, which means he's walking around at at least 270, probably higher. He said that his second fight with Lesnar convinced him he needs to put on significant size and strength, and it looks like he was doing good strength and conditioning training (as opposed to bodybuilding training), but... that's a lot of mass in a little time. We'll see if he passes his drug test.

That is a relatively recent Lesnar picture, by the way. That's probably from his first MMA fight in 2007.

edit: Just realized Sine might be talking about the fight from July. Mir just fought last weekend.

I would be a little surprised if less than half of the UFC juiced. For the record, Lesnar has never tested positive for steroids, he has been arrested for possession of substantial amounts though. The only people who get caught are those who are very lazy with their masking agents, or do something stupid like use a bad fake piss test (see Kevin Randleman).

Julius Seeker wrote:I would be a little surprised if less than half of the UFC juiced. For the record, Lesnar has never tested positive for steroids, he has been arrested for possession of substantial amounts though.

That, to me, is exactly the same as failing a piss test. "Oh, I was just holding this for somebody." Yeah, right.

If I was running things, once you've been tested once, or being caught with possession, you're blacklisted and will never play again. After all, if you already juiced, you're tainted material.

SineSwiper wrote:

Julius Seeker wrote:I would be a little surprised if less than half of the UFC juiced. For the record, Lesnar has never tested positive for steroids, he has been arrested for possession of substantial amounts though.

That, to me, is exactly the same as failing a piss test. "Oh, I was just holding this for somebody." Yeah, right.

If I was running things, once you've been tested once, or being caught with possession, you're blacklisted and will never play again. After all, if you already juiced, you're tainted material.

Haha, yeah. If I wanted someone to hold my roids for me, I think Brock Lesnar would not be an ideal choice.

Alistair Overeem just sent Kazuyuki Fujita out of the ring on a stretcher at the big NYE event in Japan after a very short fight. This guy takes athleticism to a whole different level.



"Horse meat" is very effective.

Julius Seeker wrote:Alistair Overeem just sent Kazuyuki Fujita out of the ring on a stretcher at the big NYE event in Japan after a very short fight. This guy takes athleticism to a whole different level.

I dunno. It might be possible to get to that level in 5 years without roids. Of course, do we have a record of how fast you can get beefy without roids? Considering how many people use them nowadays, it's hard to tell.

60 pounds gained of muscle.

Ubereem wrote:I changed my diet, I changed my coach and when I really think about it - I changed everything. From my girlfriend to my training and diet. Before I ate a lot of vegetables that are healthy but contained little energy. Now I mainly eat horse meat, rice and protein shakes. I got rid of my old coach who was in charge of my fight strategies. It simply wasn't working. I just started to think about what I had to do to become a better fighter.