The Shrine

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ ... 00.html</a>

"You hear it in the streets of Israel; people want revenge. But we should not behave like that. We are not a mafia."</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>That's cool. It seems like the Israelis are the only ones who can stop the foul treatment and repression of the Palestinians... lord knows everybody else is too afraid of being called anti-semetic for criticizing anything that they do.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I like how the article doesn't mention the "eye for an eye" treatment. I recall the one ton bomb was in response to the Starbucks suicide bombing that killed like 20 people.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>And what was the suicide bombing in response to?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>It's a cycle. But typically, whenever peace talks are on the table, Palestinians do another suicide bombing and de-rail the whole thing.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>...and then what happens? The ever-mature Israelis strike back when they could just be the "bigger person".</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What the pilots were saying is that "eye for an eye" mentality is stupid</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>The thing is....when they DIDN'T do anything, there was another suicide attack. And the majority of Israelis said "Do something. Now!"</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>It is. Especially when it involves a cyclic attack. I'm not saying otherwise. Although, I'd be a hypocrit to say I wouldn't punch back if someone hit me.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.seruv.org/english/signers.as ... ers.asp</a>

I know. But when a significant number of military personnel refuse to serve in the occupied territories - there's more than just the pilots - people should pay attention.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That doesn't quite map well when it's innocent people on both sides.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I think the UN should police the whole place. This cycle has to break some how. I think the Palestinians have to root out the militant fanatics. Too many times they've been so close to peace and then BOOM!</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah, but if some guy hits you you don't turn around a punch a random person just because he happens to be on that guy's side of the street.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Isaelis reasoned that as long as they targeted the militants, the collateral damage was acceptable.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Well, of course the ISRAELIS reason that, but I sure as hell don't</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>How do you root out one person pulling a donkey with a bomb up its ass?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Look for donkey that walks funny. Sorta like you three hours after eating some hot spicy food.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I'm just the messenger! Wanna spoon? =8^)</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>So if some Hispanic guy bombs a grocery store in the US, should it be alright for the American government to go and bomb a hispanic community that might have related gangs in it? The Israeli government are as criminal as the Palestinian organizations who bomb places. There is no justification.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>That's a dumb analogy. The US and Mexican gov't aren't at odds with one another.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's a perfect analogy, human beings are human beings where ever you go. Also, I did not mention Mexico whatsoever, I mentioned hispanic neighborhoods IN THE USA, as well as gangs, and there is a so called war on drug cartels, is there not?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Gee...when GMJ is losing an argument, he resorts to joking around, as if he was just kidding the whole time.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Columbia. Perfect example of what we do which could be consider a direct comparison to Israel.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>The Columbian gov't and the US colaborated on many occasions to get rid of the drug cartels.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Losing? Gentz just agreed with me about why I think the Israelis do what they do. It may not be a good reason, hence the "I'm just a messenger".</div>