The Shrine

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Faranheit 9/11 wins the top award at Cannes.....and in related news, rogue CIA snipers with connections to Al Queda have reportedly entered the country unabated</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp ... r=ujhuf</a>

And now for some balance: Another one of Michael Moore's lies that most of us probably haven't heard about. (Please note that I am NOT endorsing the neoconservative views of the Weekly Standard; I just enjoyed the article.)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp ... r=kixrf</a>

Another funny article: Conservatives of English persuasion for Michael Moore!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'll be going through Stupid White Men this week, I'll look for it. Incidentally, Downsize this had a couple of chapters where his bias is the only thing in the chapter, but overall, the book was intresting. Regardless of his bias (I don't necessarily agree), he makes good points</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Commuter, Zeus. Commuter. C-O-M-M-U-T-E-R FUCKING AIRLINES, MOORE!!!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Hmmm...that's the second Weekly Standard article today. Are you endorsing the neoconservative views of the Weekly Standard?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Maybe I'm just dense, but what the hell are you talking about?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It's in Stupid White Men. Moore talks about how much airline pilots are (under)paid, never mentioning that he's talking about commuter airline pilots, not the ones flying 757s from NY to LA.</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The more and more I hear and read about Moore, the more and more I realize that I'm not willing to take anything he says as truthful.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>The more I hear and read about Bush, the more and more I realize I'm not willing to take anything he says as truthful.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Why?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You -ARE- dense. What have we been arguing with you about since you've been advertizing about Bowling for Columbine? That's he's a SPIN DOCTOR! Jeeeeez!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wacko ... /">here</a>

If you're gonna listen to one side of the argument for so long and take it for fact, at the very least, spend 30 minutes of your life listening to the other side. Click all the links for 3rd party facts. Make an unbiased decision, if that's possible for you</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I've read everything you've posted about him and everything everyone else has and I don't feel like the guy is trustworthy.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I echo Lox's response to you above.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Like I said, spend the time, look at the third party links....maybe, just maybe, you're wrong. Lox too</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Look down about 3 replies, there's a link. Read it, properly. Look at the third party links. At least listen to what his retort is to the attacks he's been getting for the last year</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm never wrong. ;)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>"Neoconservative" sounds like an oxymoron to me.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>G-Man, stop imping Lox! :-)</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Ah, yes, the real-life oxymoron. You see, they have to be "neo"conservatives in order to change their beliefs to stay with the times because their beliefs are outdated. It's a vicious cycle, kinda like the way religion keeps reinventing itself</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>The term historically refers to a group of former Cold War liberals who gravitated rightward in the 1960s and 1970s, hence the term "new" conservative. Lots of good books have been written about neoconservatism, but if you want an easy-to-read primer, try E.J. Dionne's "Why Americans Hate Politics."</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>No, not quite. Neoconservatism isn't just a new label for old ideas, but a real intellectual movement with an interesting history.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I never said they were old ideas. I meant that the ideas were changing because they were outdated, thus they were new ideas, hence the new term for people with those ideas as beliefs</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>it sounds like you have the exact same problem, you're just on the other side of the argument. Stop tossing Moore's salad and open your dung-encrusted eyes</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>So, basically, people like my dad...sounds about right.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>It's a lot better than using Bush ads as a source of information. Talk about spin doctoring.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>He took out the parts that mattered most and turned it into the opposite of what it was about. To take irony to a new level, I'll directly quote the speech: "Those who are hostile toward us will lie in wait to seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule us." Of course, this paragraph, among others was taken out of the speech, in order to "seize on a soundbite out of context, ever searching for an embarrassing moment to ridicule" them.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, true. I never said that Moore wasn't biased or didn't bend the truth, I just hate how so many people have this deep rooted hatred for him when he does a fraction of the stuff his detractors do to get their points across</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>"He's less misleading than the other guy" is not a strong argument for him.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's not what I meant, but I'm not going to bother justifying anything, it won't make a difference anyhow. We'll all just accept that Moore is evil and all those who slam him are right</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's not what I meant, either. I just don't think he's worth my time if I have to double check what he says. There are plenty of leftist commentators with more credibility.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Perhaps, but right now, he's the one who's actually getting the word out. And it's not like every tiny thing he says is garbage, we're talking about a few inconsistencies here and there. It's not like he's a politician or anything</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Number one reason of course is that he's a credible threat or they wouldn't spend the energy discrediting him. But it's interesting. It's obvious Moore embellishes the truth, but it's kind of suprising that people are so willing to accept the opinions of his detractors as Truth. Or not....</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Actually I think that's the correct attitude to take, regardless of the source...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's the point I've been trying to make for months, but too many are too emotional about this guy, which means that the crap the detractors are pushing is working</div>