The Shrine

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Is it naive to consider a fruit juice (100% one) to be more heathly for you (or at least doesn't gain as much weight) than a soda, even though the soda has less calories?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>'healthy' doesnt only consider calories. Fruit juices have other nutritional value like vitamins. Juice is healthier.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Just about the only time I drink soda is if I'm at a party, and for whatever reason, I don't feel like drinking alcohol. I drink juice, water and milk.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Read the label first. A lot of "fruit" juices have under 5% real fruit and in reality, are no healthier than sodas...If you're looking to lose weight, calories do count.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You really don't even have to read the fine print. If it's 100% juice, it's advertised loudly with the product name.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Yeah I make sure he gets 100% juice. My concern is the amount of sugar carbs in juice. Grape juice was like 54g of carbs(53g being sugar carbs) and 210 calories for a tiny bottle. As you can tell we're TRYING to eat better, heh our desk jobs are killing us.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>If Im not drinking Diet stuff, I drink "Light" stuff...Minute Maid Lemonade light, Hawaiian punch light (this is really good shit btw).</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If it's not all juice, it's basically just sugar water (or sweetened water). Might as well just drink juice.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I know your pain, which is why I typically don't drink a whole lot besides water. If you take a multivitaman, that should cover you pretty well...</div>

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>the light stuff has the same 100% vitamin C, which is easy enough to get anyway, but the light stuff has way fewer carbs/calories than regular juice. Sure it isnt 100% juice, but thats ok, most juice is too sweet to me now anyway.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '>Thats the problem, we need LESS calories lol</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Granted, I'm someone who counts calories for the opposite reason most people do, but I doubt that juice is where you're going to cut calories down to a good amount.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Ideally, you should pay attention to your body. Your body will tell you how much food to eat. And when you do eat, don't eat crap - by which I mean food that has basically no nutrional value, or is ridiculously high in fat, sugar or anything else you shouldn't have in large quantities. So no snack foods, no fast food, and nothing that would make a kid happy on Halloween. You probably have a pretty good intuition about what you should and shouldn't eat.

And when you're exercising (I know, I'm a broken record), it's even easier to listen to your body. My appetite is more regular when I'm running and lifting regularly.

Anyway, I think it's awesome that you're getting in shape and healthy.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>At the end of the day, it's not quite as "bad", per se, but it's just concentrated sugar in both. One just happens to be carbonated and the other isn't</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I agree with Kupek in that food quality is important for overall health. But watching what you drink can cut back calories by a huge amount, considering many sodas (and so-called fruit drinks ) have 200 calories per serving. In general, I try to eat my calories, not drink them....</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I eat about 3,000 calories a day, so 200 calories from juice isn't something I'm concerned about.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I think it should be noted that Kupek bodybuilds as well. So you can't down 3K calories per day, sit on your ass the rest of the day, and have a trim figure. :)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Since my diet needs are different from most, I'm just surprised that people would cut juice out of their diet because of too many calories. And a point I'm trying to drive home is that you can't sit on your ass all day and be healthy, PERIOD.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>At the same time, you can't just decide one day "Hey, fuck it...I'm going to change my habits for the rest of my life." You (or at least I) get sick of it after a week or two, and revert back to your usual habits. I'll start excersizing eventually, but I wanted to at least cut down on my calories.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Well, the "average" male needs about 2K calories per day (maybe even less for sedentary office workers or women). If you knock back 3 or 4 of these drinks, then you've already gotten almost half your daily calories in an unfulfilling fashion (more than half if you're a woman)....</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Generally true. But at least if it's real fruit juice, there is some gain to be had from the nutrients. However, if you're looking to lose weight, stay away from sugar drinks (fruit drinks or non-diet sodas). Strictly speaking, when it comes to gaining or losing weight, it's all about calories...</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Many people get huge portions of their daily caloric intake from drinks without even realizing it (in their minds drinks are not food, so they don't count as calories). I remember back in college, I dropped 15 lbs just from not drinking coke each and every waking hour. :)</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Actually you can if you want to, but for most folks, it's best to ease into these things.... :)</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Of course, I was just putting the 3000 calorie figure into the proper context. Generally speaking, I believe if you exercise at least semi-regularlly without dieting, you'll probably see better results than if you just dieted alone.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>True, but high levels of sugar and salt also make you retain water, making you bloated, making you gain weight</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>When I refer to weight loss, I'm referring only to fat loss....</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I find that one encourages the other; you're more likely to keep doing one if you're also doing the other.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Exercising for a week and realizing that you're not losing weight isn't very encouraging. On that note, my body hurts all over from working on the new house all day. I think Sobe encourages everything, though.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's because it takes more than a week to see results. You should notice some (but not drastic) changes after a month. That's why you really have to convince yourself you're in it for the long haul.</div>