The Shrine

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>In short:

Well, Tony Bliar's statement was essentially "It was not a lie, we were led to believe that there were in fact weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Tony Bliar supporter: "Indeed it was not just the fault of the Prime Minister, but rather the belief of many."
Opposition: "We don't deny that it was a group effort, but only on part of your government. You see, we already said that there was no reason to go to war, there was no proof of any weapons. You may not be lying, but you are admitting that your government is incompetent for not seeing the truth, even when it was constantly in front of you."

I don't know how this is going to translate over into the US, but essentially I think most of us here are quite under the impression that Bush was lying; otherwise the CIA, with all their complexes and funding, is worthless.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I say it again, The Office of Special Fucking Plans (OSFP).</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>"I was convinced a stand needed to be taken!" he added. It's funny how he didn't share that information with any of us until a year after the war was finished. Bliar said the world is now a safer place thanks to the war; anyone recall this from a certain Bush a few days ago?

Yet reports are stating that terrorism is at its highest level, ever, and Iraq is filled with militant groups who have killed more Americans in battle than the actual Iraqi army was able to kill in battle; not to mention all the ambushes that have occured.

There are some people who may buy this, but those of us with memories who span back more than a few months likely will see right through it.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>even apologized and took the blame. Yes, he then followed it up with, "but i still feel it was right to oust Saddam." but you cant blame the guy for still thinking that. I wish he ran our country.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Why. If he ran our country who'se dick would he suck. All he's ever done is the USA is always right thing. He's the biggest presidential cocksucker there is</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Please, he walks beside Bush, not behind him.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>He has one going for him, that is charisma, probably more than any other world leader currently (in fact I would bet on it); but you have to ignore all that and pay attention to the facts.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Nobody walks besides the world's only superpower.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You actually believe that?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>That still didn't answer my question: Why isn't anybody blaming Rumsfeld for this intelligence failure (in relation to the OSFP)?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>How is this any different than Bush's response? Blair is like a talking parrot.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>So, that's why the US's troops outnumber the Brits 10 to 1?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I was under the impression that a lot of people were. Weren't there massive anti-Rumsfeld just a little while ago?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*snicker*</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually, as I see it, Bush is not the leader, just a member of a group who is running this war, and Bliar is a part of that group as well. Who is the leader? I really can't comment on that. Probably someone in the Bush administration, or maybe a number of wealthy people who stand to benefit.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>thats what happens when you have the largest army on the planet and are the one getting terrorized.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Bush doesnt admit any kind of mistakes, he has to have a commission say it for him.. I cant believe you guys dont liek Blair, he is a real stand up guy! He is what Bush should be.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Pfft, don't you know anything? The leaders behind everything are The Patriots!!!!! They're gonna construct Metal Gears and take the world!</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>When where and how were the Iraqis terrorizing us? Please answer me that.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>It's called Orientalism, Derith. One towel-head's as good as another!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>In relation to the prison abuses, but nothing about his version of "intelligence". When it comes down to it, the war (and intelligence failure) is his fault.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Because he has his dick balls-deep into Bush. He still was a major advocate for war, when he knew the "evidence" was bullshit.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Iraq wants to end all freedom in the world.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The US doesn't have the largest army.  I would even question calling it the second largest army.  I think Russia might have more troops than the US.  And I sure as hell know China has more everything.  Maybe even India and Pakistan have larger ones, that I'd have to check on.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Exactly Flip. That's why we had to stop them from attacking the US with their missles that travel so far they could hit our nation.....Wait, we're 20 miles away from Iraq right?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Pakistan? No way. Otherwise, they would take over Israel like Stormtroopers.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Israel is a very long way from Pakistan. In order to cross the least amount of national borders, they would have to travel by land about 3000 kilometers (roughly the half the distance of the US from East to West) and cross through Iran, Iraq, and Jordan,</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/stanton1025 ... 03.html</a>

There's one key piece of evidence missing, Nazi's!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '><img src="http://www.sineswiper.com/temp/fark-ps/ ... winlaw.jpg">

And so ends this thread...</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Ahhh...errr...wrong country. Thought you were talking about Palenstein.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Is that a Jewish country? Or were your referring to "Palestine"? :-)</div>