The Shrine

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/tops ... Republican White House bullshit...</a>

Congresswoman speaks her mind, and then gets censured. Nice! Gotta love that freedom of speech we have there.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Come on, people can speak their opinions, but not when you are accusing a whole set of people of lying/cheating in a public arena. You cant always hide behind free speech , idiots seem to think it very convenient. Besides, there is a thing called manners and the House is not the place to be rude.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Actually, yes, you can, and her right to free speech was not violated. Her first ammendment rights are different from what the House keeps on the record. However, I do think they should have kept her remarks in.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing, or angreeing to a particular part and if so which part...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>For once, I agree with Flip. You can't just casually spew out conjectures like that without thoroughly backing them up. A judge wouldn't let a lawyer get away with shit like that in a courtroom, so why should she get away with it in a congressional assembly?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Republican Congressmen have said much MUCH worse.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I disagree with both you and Sine; that is protected speech, but her free speech rights were not violated.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Because deciding a person's guilt or innocence is a different setting than the floor of the legislature. Frankly, I think what she said is pretty tame.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Dude, she referred to the election of the current president as a "coup d'etat." That's a pretty wild allegation to be throwing around as matter-of-factly as she was.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Yeah, I considered that, but last week representatives referred to gay marriage as an potential national disaster, and that it will lead to the breakdown of American society. Overblown rhetoric is normal for the floor of the House and Senate.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>...and that kind of commentary certainly doesn't belong in a public Congressional forum. I'm not defending any past comments made by other speakers either. Any statements as wildly speculative and irresponsible as hers belong stricken from the records as well.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Bravo to her! We need more of her type in the U.S. Congress.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Apparently not. Here's the story:

Katherine Harris, Secretary of State in Florida <b>-AND-</b> George W Bush's campaign manager (how's that for impartial?), hired Diebold (the same guys now building those <a href="http://www.workingforchange.com/article ... electronic voting machines</a>) to create a purge list of felons who, under state law, do not having voting rights. (Nevermind that I call bullshit on that law anyway. You're normally suppose to get all of your rights back when you have served your time.) Diebold created one of the sloppiest lists anybody could ever create. I can't find that informative article I read on it, but this paragraph from a similar <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20 ... article</a> summarizes the situation:

<I>First, the purges. In the months leading up to the November 2000 presidential election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, in coordination with Governor Jeb Bush, ordered local election supervisors to purge 57,700 voters from the registries, supposedly ex-cons not allowed to vote in Florida. At least 90.2 percent of those on this "scrub" list, targeted to lose their civil rights, are innocent. Notably, more than half--about 54 percent--are black or Hispanic. You can argue all night about the number ultimately purged, but there's no argument that this electoral racial pogrom ordered by Jeb Bush's operatives gave the White House to his older brother. HAVA not only blesses such purges, it requires all fifty states to implement a similar search-and-destroy mission against vulnerable voters. Specifically, every state must, by the 2004 election, imitate Florida's system of computerizing voter files. The law then empowers fifty secretaries of state--fifty Katherine Harrises--to purge these lists of "suspect" voters.</i>

Keep in mind: <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/ ... nics">THIS ALMOST HAPPENED AGAIN!</a> The only reason why they didn't use the list: Hispanics in Florida have tended to vote Republican, and they were caught red-handed when they were forced to admit that no Hispanics felons were found on the list. Geee...how convienent that the scrub list contained mostly blacks that tend to vote Democrat, but not include the hispanics that tend to vote Republican.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm aware of what happened, and I think, like you, that it was bullshit - but that doesn't make it an inarguable point. That's like a congressman going around referring to Bill Clinton as "Clinton the Murderer." It belongs off the damn record.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Dont you think if it was common knowledge and actual fact that the administration would not be in office? Please dont tell me you think there is a conspiracy involving the Bush, the Supreme Court and law enforcement agencies on this matter.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>They fixed the vote in Florida. That is fairly common knowledge.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>I dont know how you can even respond to people anymore since you were thoroughly called out on the T2 argument, ignorance of DC comics vs Marvel, and the whole 'writing from memory' debaucle. You still never responded to any of those, BTW. Ignore it and it goes away mentality?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Terminator 2 was way more popular than Terminator 1, the Box Office charts alone more than prove it it's 32. Also, why should I give a flying fuck about comic books? On the other hand, you support racial profiling; I'</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Seek, you ever thought about a career in dodgeball?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I think very little of what gets said on the floor of the House and the Senate is an inarguable point. The same, actually, goes for a courtroom.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>haha you idiot...you wanna keep on digging your own grave?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't give a monkeys ass about comic books. I am sure that 99.9% of people in North America don't give a flying fuck. Besides, I don't recall ever mentioning ANYTHING about DC comics vs. Marvel, why should anyone care, what relevance does it have to anything? Absolutely nothing.

About Terminator 2, it WAS in FACT much more popular than the first one, the box office charts are solid evidence. It's 32 million vs. 500 million, and inflation isn't a factor since they were only 6 years apart from each other. No one took Terminator seriously, if you think no one has seen anything like Terminator before, then you obviously are completely forgetting about the load of cheese that John Carpenter put out in the late 70's/early 80's along with a bunch of other movies. Terminator 1 sucks, if you like it, you're a moron, it's so incredibly stupid that there is no possible way that any normal person could enjoy it as anything more than a cheesy action flick. It is as bad, or worse than Evil Dead.</div>