The Shrine

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/ ... ex.html</a>

Guys....I have news that may shock you!.....Official: No WMD stockpiles in Iraq!!!! *GASP*</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Holy shit! We went to war for nothing? We should kick the idiot out of office who took us to war there!</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I keep looking for the Fark 'Obvious' tag.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>well then you'd have to kick every idiot out of the senate that gave him the power to take us to war for nothing. We don't have checks and balances for nothing</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Liberals try to blow this war WAY out of proportion. This isnt Korea and this isnt Vietnam, we've lost 1000 lives total, i bet that isnt much more than what we lose during peace time. For 1000 lives, i'll take a dictator like Suddam ousted any day of the week, and if you really cared about humanity, then you would too.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>"1,000 lives is hardly anything"... You disgust me.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Just to let you know, 58,000 Americans lost their lives in Vietnam, and that was a war which had little accomplishment. We overthre one of the cruelest rulers of any country in history for 1000. Be happy for the world for christ sakes.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>"1,000 lives is hardly anything"... You disgust me. Let's also not forget the 7,000+ US soldiers wounded. This all pales in comparison to the 10,000+ Iraqi's killed so far in this war... Do they matter any less than the 3,000 Americans who died on September 11th? Think about it.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>...we should have learned our lesson in that war. The lesson being: do not go to war unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. We should never go to war because we WANT to but only because we HAVE to, and even then we shouldn't go unless we have a viable plan to win and establish peace afterwards.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>right now for speaking out.

Kerry and Edwards both say, "What about N. Korea, what about Libya!!! Are we going to invade those countries as well!" What they dont see is that we can only help the world one step at a time. Even if we never help those countries atleast we can say we helped one! With Kerry we would have helped ZERO. If lives are so important to the you then recognize that we saved more than we sacraficed, becase we did.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>It was neccessary! 80% of Middle East is a sore on the ass of the world, helping progress Iraq will prove to be one of the smartest ideas in history. Our intentions are for good, how can you say Saddams intentions would be better?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Kerry and Edwards voted yes with the expectation that George Bush would exhaust the full possibilites of peacefully resolving this conflict through the UN... and then if in the end it turned out that Saddam was a real threat and millitary action WAS required, that Bush would, like his father, form a sizable coalition to invade. THIS is what Kerry meant by his "I'd still vote to give Bush the authority to go to war" statment. He'd still be willing to give Bush the bargaining chip of the <i>ability</i> to go to war but "would have done almost everything differntly" in terms of executely the war (including not even invading!). When it all came down to it, Bush didn't do anything the right way, the way people wanted him to. He went it alone. He ignored due process and the concerns of tens of millions of Americans and rushed to war with <i>very</i> few allies (speaking in terms of troop #s here, not # of members in the "coalition of the willing").

Are they in some way partners to this crime? Somewhat. I'm willing to forgive them though. They've realized their mistakes and are trying to come up with better solutions to get us out of this mess. They are no more accomplices of Bush than a gun store owner is who sells to a person who uses his gun to commit a crime thinking he's going to use it for self-defense. However I'm not willing to forgive Bush, he has yet acknowledge his mistakes and try to work towards a better solution to the mess he's caused in Iraq. No, for him it's just "more of the same". He lives in a fantasy world of spin where the opinions of others.

As for me, my vote is going to Kerry.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Saddam Hussein, as bad as he was, is hardly one of the cruelest dictators in history, unless you're making a top 1000 list.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Since it's now known that Saddam presented no threat to the U.S., the administration can always fall back on the "humanitarian" angle (or as is the case most of the time, let their supporters do all the talking for them)....</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's not the US's duty to Police the world and get rid of 'Evil' dictators. My goodness, if that's the case you'd better expand the military budget tenfold, because there's a lot more out there.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I also find it eerily similar to the propaganda of Orwell's 1984 that says "War is peace".</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>We may not be able to police the world, but we can make it better, and it is. Maybe by onely one country, but better, and in a place in the world that needs one country to be an example of how democracy and freedom is good.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>And no you didnt say Suddams intentions were better, but what else can you say when you say we shouldnt have attacked Iraq and instead have left them alone? Left alone, Saddam is in power and his sons are wrecking havoc on their people. That is what you wanted. If you retort by saying, "No, i wanted the UN to attack and not just the US." then you agree we should be fighting Iraq regardless and thus i dont know why you would argue, but since you are arguing, then you must be for non-invasion and thus Saddam rule, thus Saddam's intentions.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>It is no surprise to me that Iraqians dont know what to think about us helping them out. All they have known is tyranny. Imagine yourself in their shoes, of course you would be scared too. I'll accept your spology, however, in 20 years when they realize what life used to be like for them.

Dont turn a blind eye, i thought democrats wanted to help the less fortunate. How can you get any less forunate then what they used to live under?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>maybe in regards to the amount of people he killed... he was only the ruler of Iraq and not Russia, but his cruelty is almost top of the list.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You and the other republicans are so full of shit when you talk about how democrats don't care and demean the sacrifices these poeple are making. Well guess fucking what you god damned hippocrite. every fucking time you say 1000 lives is nothing is you being the one that is demeaning their memory. So shut the fuck up and get a life.

Oh wait what I say doesn't matter because I'm putting my liberal lies to it right.....so fuck off you ass hole. I have no respect for ass holes like you that can't see past their blind loyalty to a party rather than their opinions. guess what I don't call poeple liberal or conservative. hell it's not liberal or conservative. conservatives are not republicans and liberals are not democrats. I'm an independant yes but guess what. I'm a conservative. I think the government should get the fuck out of most of the business it's in. this fucking administration guess what they are. they are a liberal administration. look at the facts. me I want the government the fuck out of a lot of things. this administration while they have cut a loit of government programs have initiated the patriot act which is extremely liberal. a ban on gay marriage is liberal, increasing government spending and sending us spiraling into debt is liberal. I got an idea for both republicans and democrats. pick up a fucking dictionary and learn what the words you use to label yourselves and villify the other side.

so in conclusion, fuck you all but especially you flip. even g-man was less of an ass hole than you. he may have been a stingy ass but at least he had his own opinions</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Saddam's cruelty hardly passes the history test. If you truly want to make all of history the backdrop, then what he did probably doesn't even measure up to what the U.S. did to the American Indians.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>congradulations you win the "sticking words in people mouth" award. Your prize is me not taking anything your delusional ass says seriously. at least back up your arguments with facts rather than talking points from fox news</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It's kinda hard to blow a war - a fucking WAR - out of proportion. And there's more to the cost of a war than our losses.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>So what you need to do is grow up and open your eyes. I'm not a heartless ass who thinks your friends died for nothing, why cant you see that their bravery will be rewarded 10 fold in the middle east? Guess what, i know people who have died in this war, too, and me saying that this war is a good thing for the world doesnt demean their memory, it shows support for what they are doing. You criticizing their efforts is way more desctructive.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Also, if there are more terrorists in Iraq noq then ever, then it only proves us right that Iraq is a safehaven for these scum and they realize they need Iraq, this is a huge step for the Middle East towards democracy.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>While working in a deficit isnt good policy, i seiously doubt you are feeling any financial repercussions from the war.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>[jaw drops] Let me re-state what I said, adding the appropriate emphasis: There's more to the cost of a war than OUR losses.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>So your solution would have been?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Not to go at all.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>no, the US created the problem. If you believe they are going to embrace western democracy like they embraced your troops, well happy dreams.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Nice, that is what really deserves a [jaw drop]. What an excellent example to send to anyone else who wants to ignore UN sanctions.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Riiight. Cause we bow down and obey the UN all the time right?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>*gasp* You finally put your finger on the problem, and mostly by yourself. The UN did nothing, but someone has to follow rules and regulations. Kerry wants to run back to the uselessness that we have discovered the UN to be.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>*gasp*  You finally put your finger on the problem, and mostly by yourself.  The UN did nothing, but someone has to administer the rules and regulations.  Kerry wants to run back to the uselessness that we have discovered the UN to be.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If obeying UN resolutions was cause to invade a country, then we would have invaded Israel decades ago.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Flip, for an educated man, you sure have your eyes closed. The argument all along (and why the 1000 lives lost is such a big deal) has been that there was NO REASON for this war at all. No danger to the US, therefore no reason for the people to die. Look at the World Wars, no one says anything there</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>So you think that it's OK for the US to impose it's will on the rest of the world without consulting any world organizations (and thus, getting others' opinion)?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I didn't know you were an expert on the Middle East....</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Love or hate Saddam, he kept the extremists in his country at bay. Why the hell else do you think there's been no ties between Iraq and 9/11? Now that Iraq has been "liberated" they're running free and causing havoc. Is Iraq truly better off?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's part of being Republican, mixing up your dreams and reality</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>we tried, and had support, but France guanteed it would its veto power...</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Then why was he giving the weapon inspectors a hard time, why was he breaking all sorts of regulations, and why are terrorists flooding in to defend Iraq? Something doesnt add up correctly here to say they were a peaceful country.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>well, obviously, i am. :)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>No, ManaMan didnt say we went to war for no reason, he said we went to war for nothing. There is a big difference becaus once Iraq becomes stable and democratic, it is a win for everyone.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I know! And there's not even a flip side!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, when will that be? Five years from now? BTW, refresh my memory: Are we a part of a War on Terror, or a War on Dictators?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>They are "flooding in to defend Iraq" because they believe that the US is oppressing their people. They view the whole thing as one elected dictator replaced by another.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>That's part of unrealism. Both parties have their unrealistic idealists.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Every time I heard the phrase "UN sanctions", I think of Israel. Why is that? Why is it that my brain has that strange link between the two?!</div>