The Shrine

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm looking at the CNN polls and Pennslyvania looks very likely to go for Kerry. Bush leads in Florida and Ohio. I think I read somewhere that many analysts say that if you take two out of these three, you'll win the election.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I take full credit for Kerry winning PA. No applause, please.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>It's not official, but Bush has basically won. I think there will be lots of drinking tonight on both sides... :)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Ahhh yeah, that's a wrap.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>And along with the chance of Kerry's victory goes any chance of me ever voting again.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>hehe. No need to be so melodramatic. It's not the end of the world. Next election, do your part and help your party raise a quarter billion dollar campaign warchest so that the result you're looking for becomes reality.... :)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I live in Louisiana, I'll be damned in my lifetime if I ever see the Republicans actually lose here!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>It's depressing really: Full control of all three branchs of the government. For either party, that's an abuse of power.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm just pissed because all this shit about Vote or Die and all that didn't seem to matter one bit. There were no upsets. It was a completely typical election. I will never be duped into giving a shit about this ever again.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Though I will vote for Obama when it's his time to run.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I can hear everyone who voted Kerry and the rest of the world let out a collective "Oh fuck."</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>It did work, look at the turnout. It's just that neither side had a significant lead.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah, it got people to vote, but not to think.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>That is to say, all this posturing really accomplished was getting a bunch of people pissed off enough with the fighting to vote according to whatever prejudices they had to begin with. Same results, larger scale.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>YOu're playing right into the Republican's hands</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yeah, unfortunately. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, I just want to head out to the midwest and start punching people who voted Bush.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If you view voting rationally, as a pragmatic issue, you inevitabley will convince yourself that YOU voting doesn't matter. However, if you view it as a civic or moral responsibility, then it's different.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Haha. Yeah, I'm gonna drive over to Ohio and start tossing molotov cocktails into windows : )</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>No, I agree. It's not a "my vote didn't matter" thing so much as a "nobody ever changes or learns anything ever" thing. I voted this election because I thought for once it might not end up as a complete fucking farce, but all that happened was more people just ended up voting the same exact way.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Then how other people act shouldn't effect a civic or moral reponsibility. Trust me, I feel very bitter about the results of this election, but I'm still going to bitterly cast my ballots. (Even if they don't get counted; absentee ballots in VA never come into play.)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>In a perfect world. As things stand, I refuse to set myself up to be let down again.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Then I don't think you're really buying into the responsibility argument.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>If no one cares, nothing will ever change. That's what you're saying, right? I'm saying that right now I don't even give a shit about things changing. Bush can bring it all down at this point for all I care.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>From your last sentiment, I'd say you're not buying into the responsibility argument. But the first is still the pragmatic argument. You're a vegetarian. I'm sure that you, like me, are not under any delusion that you not eating meat will bring down the meat industry. So why continue?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Dude in certain states it just doesn't matter if you vote or not. There are only a few places in the US where it actually matters if you show up to vote.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I already addressed this point with my initial post in this thread.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>It would have been the best cooperative effort since Y2K, everything was in place and ready to roll.... only it didnt work. I would be frustrated, too, especially since you are not usually political.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Aye. That's the way I feel. I'm getting tired of losing. I'm getting tired of trying to get people to actually care.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I don't consider it immoral to abstain from voting.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Your face is playing right into the back of MY hand</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Maybe, but if there's anything that's been learned from the last two election is that 1) the Democrats are garbage and people would rather vote for the devil and 2) the Republicans vote in droves and the lower the turnout, the greater the chance of them winning</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Neither do I, but it depends on your reasons. "My vote won't make a difference" is a poor one. If you, say, don't want to take part in the system, then I consider that a legitamite reason. But if you genuinely want one candidate over the other, then yes, I think you have a responsibility.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>You make it sound as if we never had a Democrat in the White House. LOL. Dude the Democrats didn't put anybody worth voting for in the white house. There are many indepenndants out there who just as well voted for Bush cause they liked him.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Bash him if you want, but the public fucking LOOOVED Clinton. They need to pull more aces outta their ass like that.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>You're confusing me with Zeus, I enjoyed the Clinton years.</div>