The Shrine

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Nap ... h&meta=</a>

Just a question (a bit of an experiment), has the news of the use of Napalm on Fallujah by the US military reached American news waves yet?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>The real question is what are 'innocent civilians' still doing in that city. Isnt it obvious that we are attacking it? I dont think anyone still left in there is very innocent.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>So civillians are at fault for being in the way in their own city? That's an interesting take.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Come on, I know you are a smart guy. Yes, thousands of people from Fallujah have left and are refugee's in other Cities now. But just because the majority of insurgents based themselves there you expect the entire population to suddenly leave? And how the hell does that condone the use of Napalm? Which is undoubtably one of the most horrific weapons ever used. Hell, it scared the heck out of the ancient world when it was known as Greek Fire. It is interesting to read that the US is the only Country still using it. And in a city yet. Incredible.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt georgia; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>When cognitive dissonance attacks!!</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I hadn't heard of it. Though I didn't realize the use of napalm was frowned upon, actually.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, it's pretty cool with the rest of the world to use an incenerating agent to wipe out any probablility of life surviving the fire zone......</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He's a Republican, give him some slack</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>See my answer to Andrew</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>How you enjoying Prime BTW?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=u ... >Napalm</a>

I consider it rumor until some better news sources comes along.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>One of the Bush regimes chief critisizms of Saddam was that he used chemical weapons back in the 80's to kill insurgents in Iraq. Today in 2004 the Bush Regime is using chemical weapons to kill insurgents in Iraq. I guess there is a difference, the insurgents were good before, now they're evil =)</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Wasn't there also something during the Summer about a year ago in the news about US military admitting to using Napalm?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>You just cherry picked that from the first article you linked to. Again, if you try to find something about that from a better news source you'llbe hard pressed.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame ... =432201</a>

It took me about 10 seconds</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Anything from CNN or a network news or a national/worldwide newspaper that wont make me pay to read the article? You're defenition of better news source is pretty sad.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Anything from CNN or a network news or a national/worldwide newspaper that wont make me pay to read the article?  You're defenition of better news source is pretty sad. My point being, if it was public fact then it would be everywhere and it hardly is.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>The Independent is probably the most well respected News Source in the world you tool.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>and yet, they are the only one reporting this...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Ok, I thought the scrapping of the chem. weapons thing was done before Vietnam, but it was done in the 70s. My mistake.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Flip, how do you function in life with your eyes shut so tightly?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Our media jumped all over the torture that we did and always reports other disgusting things they can get their hands on and verify. Our media isnt going to shelter our government over napalm if it is more then just rumor and we admitted to using it, get a clue.

People want to find something wrong with America so damn bad that they will believe anything anyone tells them and even make a up a few things on their own. This thread itself was started for Seeker's 'erperiment'. Gee, lemme guess what his conclusion will be, "AMERICAN MEDIA DOESNT REPORT NAPALM STRIKES TO HIDE IT FROM THE PEOPLE!" You obviously do not know our media if this is your final thought.

So to lay this to rest, i hardly shut my eyes and walk blindly. I think what your problem may be is that you dont listen or look openly enough, you squint and find what you want to see and only stare at that without using rest of your senses to put things properly in place.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/10/24/sp ... ermath/</a>

Where's the American media jumping? I see barely a whisper even though it is known that napalm is used in Iraq and all throughout the rest of the world there are reports. The American population has very little idea of what goes on in Iraq or Afghanistan.

And Flip, you actually rely on lowsy American news media, which just shows how closed your eyes really are.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>"Where's the American media jumping?" Thats exactly my point, if they arent jumping then it isnt news.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>"Where's the American media jumping?"  Thats exactly my point, if they arent jumping then it isnt news, because our media is not afraid to print anything and the last thing they would do is hide things for our government.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Go pick up a book called "Bias" then tell me there's no bias in the American media. Don't worry, you'll like it, it's about how there's a liberal bias in the media and it's not exactly kind to the liberal view</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I can see that anything I say will be lost on you. So I'll leave you with one parting thought and never bring this up again: every single media outlet in the world is biased, until you actually start watching news reports from other countries, you'll never know the difference</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Where is Fox News banned?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>News is, by definition, what the American media reports on. That's brilliant.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Any news that would make Bush look bad, they would print. Rest assured on that.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Do you consume any media other than US? That is, do you have a point of reference?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>No, not really. I was referring to the US news when i said they would print anything to make Bush look bad, btw, so since they havent... doesnt that make you the least bit suspect?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I know what you meant. I bring up other country's media as a way to get perspective on our own. As for your claim, I really don't know where to begin.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He doesn't seem to understand that the news media always sucks on the incumbent's cock and it doesn't look like he's gonna get it. Just give it up</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>"American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops
during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated
Iraqi positions. The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots & their
commanders have confirmed they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-
in positions. They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its
psychological effect on an enemy.
A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm, a mixture of
jet fuel & polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns. The US, which did not sign the
treaty, is one of the few countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed
notoriously against both civilian & military targets in the Vietnam war. The upgraded
weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in March & April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal & the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.
'We napalmed both those approaches,' said Colonel James Alles, commander of
Marine Air Group 11. 'The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect.' A
reporter from the Sydney Morning Herald who witnessed another napalm attack on 21
March close to the Kuwaiti border, wrote the following day: 'Safwan Hill went up in a
huge fireball & the observation post was obliterated.' At the time, the
Pentagon insisted the report was untrue. 'We completed destruction of our last batch of
napalm on 4 April, 2001,' it said.
The revelation that napalm was used, while the Pentagon denied it, has outraged
opponents of the war. 'Most of the world understands napalm & incendiaries are a
horrible, horrible weapon," said Robert Musil, director of the organisation, Physicians
For Social Responsibility. Mr Musil said denial of its use 'fits a pattern of deception'.
The Pentagon said it had not tried to deceive. It drew a distinction between napalm
invented in 1942, & weapons dropped in Iraq, which it calls Mark 77 firebombs. They weigh 510lbs & consist of 44lbs of polystyrene-like gel & 63 gallons of jet fuel.
A spokesman admitted they were 'remarkably similar' to napalm but said they caused
less environmental damage. John Pike, director of the military studies group GlobalSecurity.Org, said: 'You can call it something other than napalm, but it is still
napalm. It has been reformulated in the sense that they now use a different petroleum
distillate, but that is it. The US is the only country that has used napalm for a long
time. I am not aware of any other country that uses it.' Marines returning from Iraq
chose to call the firebombs napalm." Andrew Buncombe. The Independent. 10th August 2003</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Jesus, that is so completely unture, where have you been in the last 4 years? Our media loves to rip into Bush, it doesnt look like you'll ever get it.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, yes, the media was so.....never mind, I'm not even gonna waste my time</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I would point out Clinton and blowjobs. It has nothing to do with the incumbent, just the right-wing.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Fact: East Timor was invaded by US-funded forces, who promoted genocide among its people. Public fact? No. Well-known? No. Well-reported? No. Somebody punished for it? No. Even an apology? No.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>God...will you quit promoting that book? Even FAIR thinks that it's total garbage. Go pick up a Chomsky or something.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Canada for one.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Yet Canada airs Al Jazeera, what a country.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Is there something wrong with that?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Our media certainly is critical at times, but if what you're saying is true, they would have both inflate negative news about Bush on a regular basis, and deemphasize positive news. (I'm assuming no outright fabrications.) Have you honestly noticed such a systematic trend? Or, perhaps, you like generally like Bush, and are resistant to any negative news on him?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Don't forget the fact that they reported on the fallacy of Kerry's war record and not Bush's</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, it's totally anti-Bush and the Arabs love it. Obviously, he's never seen Control Room, which is a spectacular documentary that everyone should see, BTW</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It took a huge amount of Republican pull to get the Clinton BJ going (see Hunting for the President). And when it's out in the open like that and they're tossing so much fuel on the fire, you can't ignore it. It's always an incumbent love-fest, why do you think Clinton is so well loved</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I read Chomsky's economic stuff in uni for my degree, the guy is brilliant, probably the last old-school scientist we'll see (he does everything). The reason I brought it up is 'cause it has a Republican point of view</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>I'm not saying our media over inflates or deemphasizes, i</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>I think you ask too much of the media. There certainly were plenty of articles critisizing the "mission accomplished" and the reason we attacked Iraq when we very first attacked Iraq. You didnt read any negative press until we couldnt find weapons? Maybe you read the wrong papers.</div>