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  • Since after the weekend the fencing season is largely over, and I can injure myself without my coaches bitching too much, I want a weightlifting routine.

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #5093  by Tortolia
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:46 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Basically, I need to work my upper body. Lower body's pretty well covered, and I don't want to bulk that up because that'll interfere with fencing. Endurance...I need to work a bit of short-term endurance, but between fencing practice and my twice weekly squash class, I think I'm also pretty set with that (long term endurance is fine - I'm not a marathon runner, but I can make it through a pretty intensive 3 hour fencing practice with no issues).

It's just that, well, I'm pretty weak. Don't know the numbers offhand, but we'll put myself in the "really weak" category and go from there.

I know a good number of you all work out and lift fairly often, so I have to ask - know of any good sites for this sort of info? What works for you?</div>

 #5094  by the Gray
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:56 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Epee, sabre or trad?</div>
 #5095  by Kupek
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:58 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>All of this can be done on machines or with free weights. I often use machines simply because I often workout alone, so I don't have a spotter.<ol><li>Benching. How much and how often depends on what you want out of the workout.
<li>Bicep curls. I actually prefer a machine for this. It's easier for me to keep my wrist rigid - curling my wrist at the end of the motion causes chronic pain.
<li>Dips. Get parallel bars of some sort, pick your legs up, dip yourself down, go up. Try to keep your elbows <i>out</i>. It works your chest more that way. I always do these at the end of a workout - you'll find out why when you try some.</ol>What you want out of it will determine how many sets and what weight levels you do. For upper body stuff, I have some warm up sets that increase until I get to something that's approaching my max.

You said you don't want to bulk up your legs, but I still encourage you to work them using weights. Weight lifting is not just for bulking up - it can also be done to get or maintain tone. Basically, if you do more sets of lower weights, that will tone you up more than bulk you up.</div>

 #5096  by Tortolia
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:09 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What's trad? Traditional? If so, yes (foil)</div>
 #5098  by G-man Joe
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:19 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Arms and shoulders :

Biceps : I do hammer curls and regular curls. Three sets for each routine. The first set should be lighter. Heavier on the 2nd and heavier still on the 3rd set. The 3rd set, go for muscle failure.

Triceps : I use the machine and dumbells for the tricep. Three sets, again, heavier and heavier and go for muscle failure on the 3rd. If you want, do dips. Three sets. Failure on the 3rd.

Deltoids : again, get three machines for better isolated movement. Same routine. Go for muscle failure on the 3rd.

Shoulder shrugs : people ignore this too much. It's important. Same routine.


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Take a 3 to 4 day rest before you start on the Chest and Back routine.
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This is killer. You'll need your arms for this so i hope your muscles have healed by then.

Lats - Pull ups, machines....go for failure. I suggest three machines for the lats and three sets on each machine.

Dead lifts - becareful. Lift with your back straight and slightly arched like a sargeant. heavier and heavier. Don't go for failure on this one. You'll be sorry.

Chest - this is easy. There should be the usual horizontal, incline and decline. Three sets each. Go for failure.

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BTW...my routine is for strengthening and definition. Not bulking up. You wanted to keep your speed, right?</div>
 #5100  by Anarky
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:10 pm
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Okay 1st this is called the pyramid, and it has helped me move up quite a bit this years already. this is an example

okay
135- 8 times
145- 6 times
155- 4 times
165- 4 times
175- failure (try to get to 4 to move on)
140- 10 times

This is my current failuer, its really helped me move up during the year after not lifting for a long time.

I do decline and incline on ocassions, not as much as i should.

I do other work outs but this is a good bench routine, but don't forget to work other regions of the body ;o)</div>
 #5102  by Agent 57
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:55 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Okay. I'm currently trying to build mass and power, and here are a few things that overarch everything I do:

-I work each muscle group once a week (excluding abs).
-I do five minutes cardio to warm up before doing anything.
-I do three sets of each exercise, minimum 8 reps per set, going to muscle failure or 12 reps each set, whichever comes first (excluding my non-weighted ab exercises, which I do three sets of 30 each). When I finish 3 reps of 12 sets at a certain weight, I increase the weight the next week.
-I get one minute of rest between sets.
-I get some protein into me within an hour of finishing my routine for the day. Nutrition is incredibly important when you're working out anyway, and this is one thing you want to make sure you do.
-I arrange my routines for each muscle group to do the hardest ones first.
-I finish each session with 10-30 minutes of cardio.
-I don't always do the same cardio every day - I alternate between the treadmill, stationary bike, and elliptical trainer (and don't jog/treadmill on the same day you work legs).
-I change around which exercises I do and in which order every 8 weeks or so. Learn some other exercises for each muscle group in two months or so, and switch things around - your body gets less acclimated to your workouts that way.

For you, here's some stuff I'd keep in mind:

-You're not really going to add all that much strength if you don't add mass - strength is mostly proportional to the number of muscle fibers you can bring into play at once.
-Rest and nutrition are paramount to mass/strength gains. If you don't eat right and/or enough, working out isn't going to do you any good. The recommendations I've read say go 20 calories for each pound of bodyweight (for athletes, that is). And eat 5 or 6 smaller meals a day - you speed up your metabolism and discourage fat gain that way.
-Stretch. Before and after working out is a good idea.
-The "8 minimum to failure or 12" I do is pretty standard bodybuilding practice. This is reasonably intense - i.e. the muscles you work one day <i>will</i> be in pain the next day. If you don't want to go that intense, try 15-20 reps/set with lighter weights and go fast (while keeping form, of course) - your exercises take on a plyometric characteristic that way. (I'm actually going to change my workouts to that sort of methodology once ultimate season begins in April.)
-I'm just going to tell you what exercises I'm doing right now to give you ideas. 3-5 exercises per muscle group once a week is really what you want to do - any more than that and you'll be overworking yourself.

With that said, here's what I do at the moment:

Monday - Abs

Flat Bench Butt Lifts
Front Lying Swiss Ball Rolls
Ab Machine (weighted)
Swiss Ball Crunches
Waist Bends

Tuesday - Back & Triceps

1 set Narrow Unassisted Chinups, 2 sets Wide Assisted
Seated Rows
Narrow Pulldowns
Hyperextension

Narrow Assisted Dips
Rope Pushdowns
1 Arm Overhead Extensions

Wednesday - Abs

Thursday - Legs & Shoulders

Smith Machine Squats
Wide Walking Lunges w/DBs
1 Leg Curls
Standing Smith Calf Raises
Leg Extensions

Shoulder Press
Side DB Lift
Smith Upright Rows
Rear Deltoid Flys

Friday - Abs

Saturday - Chest & Biceps

Smith Bench Press
Elevated Feet Pushups
Flat Bench Alt DB Press
Pectoral Flys

Cable 2-Arm Curls
Alternating DB Incline Hammer Curls
Concentration Curls
Reverse Curls

Sunday - Rest


Good luck!

<i>-57</i></div>

 #5103  by Tortolia
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:56 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually, yes, I want to strengthen up, but not become overly bulky.</div>

 #5105  by the Gray
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:44 pm
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, sorry for abreiviating. I took some Epee classes for awhile. Sprained my wrist rockclimbing tho and couldn't react fast enough.</div>

 #5110  by G-man Joe
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:21 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You will gain some bulkiness...but at the same time, lose fat. Avoid carbos at night. Yer going to bed anyway. Get your sweets and carbs in the morning.</div>

 #5111  by G-man Joe
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:22 pm
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Oh...and load up on protien like what Agent57 said.</div>

 #5117  by Tortolia
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:31 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I was epee until I realized that there was no shot in hell of being one of the starters (too many). Granted, I'm not starting this year, but we got a really solid freshman.</div>

 #5121  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:42 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Just do the basic upper body exercises but lesser weights and more reps (ie. 25-20 reps). That'll tone and strengthen you</div>

 #5133  by Kupek
 Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:32 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Being a vegetarian, I have to go out of my way to get the extra protein.</div>

 #5183  by G-man Joe
 Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:39 am
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Would that mean......getting down on your knees? =8^)</div>

 #5184  by G-man Joe
 Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:40 am
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>That's for girls, Zeus. =8^)</div>