The Shrine

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:15 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?obje ... BBB2281">N Korea stares down US spy plane near its coast...</a>

Maybe the US should keep its spying eyes to itself...</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:56 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Honestly.. the koreans should have shot that motherfucker down, because the United States would have if any country were spying on them</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:03 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I like how it's called a "hostile action", like the N.Koreans have no right to try an scare off spy planes.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:11 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I just ask myself whenever i read / hear something like this - would the U.S let this happen to them......</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:14 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't understand this situation, wasn't it Bush in the first place who began shooting his mouth off about him getting the US to attack North Korea? It just seams like he's doing everything in his power to piss The Peoples Republic of China off.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:35 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>uhm..guys? The US recon plane was over International Waters...that IS a hostile action</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:54 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It was off the coast of North Korea, what would you do if North Korean spy planes started soaring just off the coast of California?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:56 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>China?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:57 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I think they did a good job of making them shit their pants with the target lock.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:01 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>we can't cross into North Korean air space or they WOULD open fire. We claim airspace out into international waters</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:03 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>China would be even more pissed if the US attacked North Korea than they are about the imminent attack on Iraq.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:05 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Hey, according to the article no shots were fired. That's in no way a hostile action no matter which way you look at it. Personally, I think they should have shot the plane down, it was obviously spying.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:11 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>uhm no shit? Of course we're spying, that's no hidden fact. We've been keeping an eye on them for decades. Shooting down a plane in international waters is a declaration of war</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:26 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Hey, uh... no shit we were spying and uh... no shit that N.Korea doesn't want to be spied on. Spying isn't exactly protected by international laws either.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:20 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Show me exactly what documentation says that shooting down a spy plane over international waters is a declaration of war.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:35 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>International waters....all they can do is the same thing - shadow the Recon plane. I think you guys are getting all huff n puff over nouthin'.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:42 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>They were what, 100 KM off the coast of N. Korea before they returned. Yeah, no recon plane could spy from that distance (sarcasm alert!). Besides, they just wanted to show they weren't gonna be pushed around</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:44 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>According to Tess, it's perfectly fine what the US were doing. I mean, they should be the only ones allowed in international airspace, didn't you know that?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:20 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Bwhahaha... according to who?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:36 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>fuck your exact documentation find it yourself. It's basic rules of engagement. International waters are open to anyone. It doesn't matter what kind of plane it is, you don't fire on another country's plane in international waters. The best you can do is what they did-- harrass and scare</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:38 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>that's right-- twist my words. We don't cross into their airspace they don't have the right to take it down. Same rules go for us</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:56 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Did you like how China shot down the Japanese 747 commercial airliner which got lost and flew tinto their airspace in the 80's? Killing 300 civilians (some of them my classmates)?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:19 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>A declaration of war is a very specific thing - it is not implied, it can only be declared.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:53 pm**

<div style='font: italic bold 14pt ; text-align: center; '>a threat the the us....it's fucking booshi</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:25 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>That wasn't an aircraft meant for spying for an aggressive enemy government now was it?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:32 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>But it was shot down, nonetheless.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:33 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I don't need to find any documentation because I already know that shooting down spy planes does not equal a declaration of war. I don't even know how the idea entered your head.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:36 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It is a completely different situation, that was a civilian transport aircraft, the other was a military spy aircraft. There is no connection at all other than that they are both aircrafts.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:39 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I thought for sure we'd go to war with China. I was pissed. My classmate was from Japan and he used to play Xevious at his house in Manila.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:41 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>If there had been a war back then, where would we be right now? China has grown very well economically and is becoming a much better place to live. Had there been war, likely the world would be in chaos, and 1.3 billion still living in third world conditions (or dead with the rest of us).</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:44 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt georgia; text-align: left; '>They didnt even shoot it down, they locked onto target and the spy plane took off.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:46 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>They never did anything to the plane, just paced it in international space close to home, just like the US would have. And don't think that the US wouldn't have targeted a N Korean recon plane....</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:56 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Dude...I said "I thought we would." I was only a teenager. I didn't say "We should."</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:01 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Ah, sorry about that then.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:07 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>of course there is no automatic declarations of war. I'm saying it's just Like making a declaration of war</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:30 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Uh...that should say "...I used to play Xevious at his house....."</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:36 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>"Shooting down a plane in international waters is a declaration of war" No it's not.</div>

The Shrine

Maybe the US should keep its spying eyes to itself...

Maybe the US should keep its spying eyes to itself...

You are a fool....do you even read the papers.....bush never says anything about North Korea. He keeps going on about Iraq even with North Korea having nukes that COULD reach the west coast of the US and NK also making agressive moves towards