The Shrine

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:38 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=%22 ... %22">Found chemical weapons plant in Iraq...</a>

Well, there ends that debate...</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:43 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I thought they had chemical weapons - we know us, and others (?) sold them to Iraq in the '80s. The real question is nuclear capabilities.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:47 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I didn't think we'd find them that easily/ quickly but it's nice to now know for sure so France and the others can shut up, admit they were wrong, and send a little help. I seriously doubt he has nuclear weapons now...but if we gave him time he would have</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:08 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>ohh and here we go-- confirmed use of SCUD missles fired on us. This plus the chem missles pretty much proves we were right. I know they won't, but I expect France to make a public apology or something</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:24 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>These are not Bush's "weapons of mass destruction."</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:50 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>But clearly a violation of the UN treaty by Iraq. Everyone, including you, knew that Saddam was lying. Seeker will be sorely disappointed.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:01 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I was under the impression that WMD's included nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:09 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Correct. (Although I think it was in UN Resolutions, not treaties.) Tessian, however, seems to think that this alone villfies the entire war.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:11 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Nope. No SCUDs. Only short-range missiles...unless you have a news article otherwise.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:15 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>They do, but if this is all they have, the Bush administration will have some explaining to do.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:01 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>that's exactly what the news cast said-- they also sighted letters from soldiers over there sent to parents about the few SCUD's that weren't destroyed by patriots</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:03 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>the fact that they have weapons they swore they didn't and that they were making WMD does validify the war. Add in the fact that we are liberating the country in the process and it is a very just war</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:04 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>explaining? they said he had WMD and he does. They never said he had nukes and said he most likely had chem / bio.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:58 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... 22.html</a>

Uh, yeah, they went on about evidence of a nuclear weapons program. If scud missiles and chemical weapons are all they find, they will have some explaining to do. They implied more than this.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:45 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Theyw ont have to explain shit. Iraq isnt supposed to have SCUDS or Bio/Chem as part of the old treaty. They obviously did not fully disarm which is what the whole thing is about! Not just WMD.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:26 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Theyw ont have to explain shit. Iraq isnt supposed to have SCUDS or Bio/Chem as part of the old UN resolution. They obviously did not fully disarm which is what the whole thing is about! Not just WMD.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:33 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The Bush administration claimed that Iraq was a threat to the American people. That is where some of the support for this war is coming from. So yes, they will have explaining to do.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:43 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>I doubt most of the support is coming from the fact that people think Iraq is a threat to the US, everyone knows they cant hit our soil if oyu dont count embassies in Kuwait or any other surrounding country.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:35 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>not a CURRENT threat but a Future threat. He doesn't have nukes now but if we left him alone for a few years you can bet he would have. Hell Korea woulda given him some just to piss us off</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:01 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>People tend to use the word "SCUD" to mean "Iraqi missile". So far, there has been no evidence of SCUDs.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:04 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>What about the 30 UN resolutions on Israel? I guess they don't count.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:05 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical, biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can reach the west coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors, AND threatened to turn America into a sea of fire. What about them?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:37 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>a country with nukes is unattackable, plain and simple. We hit Saddam before he could get nukes, NK has them, the only option is diplomacy in that situation.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:35 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Hence, the reason why we don't go after Israel? So, we only go after weak and defenseless countries?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:36 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Hence, the reason why we don't go after Israel? So, we only go after weak and defenseless countries? Why don't we give a nuke to EVERY country, and put an end to war?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:01 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I'm starting to think the local Fox news station are a bunch of idiots...they specifically said Scud and specifically said they weren't supposed to have Scuds, even had a letter from someone there talking about the scuds...and yet I have found no other articles mentioning Scuds</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:07 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>because countries who cant be trusted with them will use them to make demands. It sucks that NK has them, i wish we could have stopped them before they did, because rest assured that within a year they will start to make demands of the US "Give us food and money" etc.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:13 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>That would be accurate.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:44 pm**

<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>And if the U.S. is smart we'll demand concessions from them before giving them anything (i.e. human rights issues).</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:38 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>because some whack jobs like Saddam & Ill will are fucked up enough to actually (threaten to) use it</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:39 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Don't rely on one news source. I checked a bunch of sites to confirm what you said, couldn't find it anywhere else.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:39 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>"no deal! Give us stuff or we nuke" As the quote goes "I'm not afraid of the man who has 1,000 nukes, I'm afraid of the man with just one"</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:47 pm**

<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>They won't, because they know if they do Pyongyang will be a glass factory.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:53 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Such hypotheticals are shaky grounds for a war.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:32 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>hypothetical? More like a theoretical guarantee. The loon tried to build the largest fixed artillery cannon in the world prior to the Gulf War and has used WMD on citizens before-- there was no 'if' or 'maybe' as to whether he'd get nukes if left alone or not</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:33 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>he's already threatened nuclear holocaust a dozen times; do you think he'd really care?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:52 pm**

<div style='font: 14pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>His threats amount to little more than political posturing and grandstanding.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:52 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Only if they have the ability to destroy whole cities.</div>