The Shrine

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.thenleave.com">ThenLeave.Com</a>

If I weren't a poor college student I'd actually donate to this cause...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's the best donation site ever.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>bah, people can have differing opinions and still be American. While i support the war i hate this type of retort.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.asmincorp.com/asm2000/asm200 ... 001.htm</a>

I get forwarded here. If it is what Flip thinks it is - and what I initially thought it was - I can't even begin to explain why that attitude is ignorant and harmful.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Wow, how utterly fucking moronic.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I have considered you a friend for a long time. I'm honestly shocked you'd have this view.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm amused by this point of view: "America is such a great country because of the freedom we have to disagree. If you disagree with that then you don't deserve to be here." The sheer idiocy is astounding.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I mean, can you even BEGIN to comprehend the notion of dissent? Do you have any idea what it even means? There are times I begin to forget why I'm against this war, but then I'm reminded of who is actually FOR the war...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>If you really knew Tort, you'd be able to spot his sarcasim a mile away. I used to have a midi play for Tort when he messaged me on ICQ "You get off on annoying people don't you?" :)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Why would you donate to this cause?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Judging from his IM profile, he's not joking. Although I may be wrong.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>He had some similar sentiments in his away message the other day as well. I'm pretty sure he's gone to the dark side : )</div>

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>its a "if you hate the war then you hate America so get out" site... and they take donations to help people buy tickets to leave. My opinion still stands.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>1) The site amused me. I needed a laugh, I got one.

2) It's not going to amount to anything, so it's irrelevant.

3) I've seen people make statements like "If Dubya is elected president, I'm leaving the country!" or "I don't like what the government's doing. I should leave!".

As far as I'm concerned, that's all just hyperbole designed to draw attention to the person talking. They have no intention of going anywhere. They just want to look reactionary and cool and stuff.

It's not a case of "you disagree with what's going on so you should leave!", it's a case of "shut the hell up you annoying twit before you make me want to gargle with a revolver".

If someone actually decides they want to leave the country and this site helps them out, great. If not, it's just another five seconds worth of bandwidth come and gone, whoopty fuck. Disagree with things all you want, just keep it reasonable, huh?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>So........was I right? :P</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's what I gathered, and someone else sent me the URL for the site itself.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><i>Do you live in America? Are you angry with the country's decision to wage war in Iraq? Do you support the U.N. position along with France that America should use inspections instead of force? Do you hate our current administration...especially Bush?</i>

My interpretation: if you live in America and disagree with what is currently going on, then leave.

<i>My entire goal with this web site is to truely get at least one of these idiots out of here. I'm just so sick of reading their crap, especially when we are at war and should be supporting our troops and country. I'm sick of how France and Russia have used their U.N. power to cover their financial dealings. I'm sick of the loud mouth celebrities, the protesters blocking our streets and everything else this minority of the population does. I'm sick of it...tired of it...and if you don't like it...THEN LEAVE!</i>

I see no indication that he is only referring to people who have said "I should just leave the country." I only see that he is referring to <i>all</i> people who are disatisfied or have protested.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>guess I shoulda thrown a laugh in there somewhere...like Tort I think it's funny and calling the bluff of some extremists who seem to think this is the worst place on earth</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I think those are strawmen.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>'eh?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Maybe.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>*shrug*</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Damn you and your enigmic answers!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I can see that</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>He's talking about the argument.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Your argument is based on an unrealistic caricature of the opposing view.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>the vast majority of those who are anti-war aren't like that, but there are still plenty of ignorant peaceniks who think violence / war is never necessary</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I geninuely want to leave the country, but there are a number of reasons that I can't.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>That's not what you said. You said "extremists who think this is the worst place on earth."</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>2 different categories, yes. And if you think this is the worst place on Earth than you should leave instead of constantly bitching about it</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>And Kupek's point: No one's saying that it's the worst place on Earth. You're cutting down strawmen.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>that's why I asked, I've never heard that term before. And people don't say that directly but they sure come off as seeming to feel that way</div>