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More creepy U.S. government stuff

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:01 am
by Nev
It has now been firmly established (see references below) that the OSS actively recruited and protected many high ranking Nazi officers immediately following World War II, a policy that was carried on by the CIA. These included, the CIA now admits, the notorious "butcher of Lyon" Klaus Barbie, Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen, and numerous less-renowned Gestapo officers. General Gehlen, due to his extensive (if dubious) intelligence assets within the Soviet Union, was allowed to keep his spy-network intact after the war in the service of the United States. The Gehlen organization soon became one of America's chief sources of Intelligence on the Soviet Union during the cold war, and formed the basis for what would later become the German intelligence agency the BND.

From the wiki's CIA article...

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:01 am
by SineSwiper
Hey, we have Kissinger, so why not?

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:16 am
by Kupek
Actually, <i>we</i> have Kissinger. He's my school's Chancellor. The last one was Margaret Thatcher.

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:16 am
by Tortolia
I'd look for sources above and beyond Wikipedia. Preferably published ones.

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:51 am
by SineSwiper
Kupek wrote:Actually, <i>we</i> have Kissinger. He's my school's Chancellor. The last one was Margaret Thatcher.
I'm sorry. Goddamn convicted criminal should be in prison, where he belongs.

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:54 am
by Zeus
It doesn't work that way if you have powerful friends. Isn't Kenneth Lay still running around out there somewhere?

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:32 am
by Nev
Tortolia wrote:I'd look for sources above and beyond Wikipedia. Preferably published ones.
While I agree that the Wikipedia's veracity is almost certainly comparatively lower than a (reputable) print-published source, I tend to think an error of this magnitude would most likely have caused a big enough stink by now that it wouldn't be in there.

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:49 am
by Kupek
Wikipedia is excellent for "I have absolutely no prior knowledge of this topic, give me enough information so I know where to start." Which is the same thing a print encyclopedia is good for. But if you really want to know about the topic, I agree with Tort: find print sources, or at least reputable online sources.

Aside from knowing you have a source you consider reputable, if the work is attributed, you can also research the author so you can get a feel for the author's biases.

PostPosted:Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:07 pm
by Nev
All true. However, I don't really have the time or inclination right now to be writing research papers. ;) And I'm sure there are a lot of sides to the story. It's just fucked-up that I don't learn about these types of things in history class, though, to be fair, my high school did a pretty good job of portraying the uglier side of America's history as well.