The Shrine

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Question For You
4/23/2003 - New York City

ok, here's a little question for you...
how would the republican leadership deal with a democratic president who:
a-had been a cheerleader in school.
b-was a documented draft dodger.
c-had been arrested for public drunkenness.
d-had lost the election by 600,000 votes, but was president after being installed by his fathers friends in the supreme court.
e-had been best friends with the ceo of the corporation involved with the biggest instance of corporate fraud EVER.
f-had invited the perpetrators of the aforementioned fraud to the white house to set policy.
g-had long standing family ties with saudi arabia and the bin laden family.
h-allowed a private jet to fly around the united states after september 11 to pick up members of the bin laden family and return them to saudi arabia without being questioned by the fbi.
i-had presided over the steepest drop in the stock market and the greatest rise in unemployment figures of any president in the last 60 years.
j-bombed afghanistan looking for osama bin laden and never found him.
k-bombed iraq looking for saddam hussein and weapons of mass destruction and found neither.
l-proposed a 700 billion $ tax break for the wealthiest americans and planned on paying for it by cutting money to the police, fire departments, education, etc.
m-had members of his administration who had long standing ties to racist and white-supremacist organizations.
n-had a vice president who had been in business with the bin laden family.
and so on.
how would the republicans and the conservative media deal with george bush jr. if he were a democrat?
they would roast him alive and would probably impeach him.

i write this as a reminder that:
1-the democratic party in the united states is pathetic for not drawing more attention to the fact that bush and his cabinet are corrupt and inept.BR>2-george bush jr. is still a terrible president with a terrible record.
don't forget. especially when it comes time to vote in the next presidential election.
thanks,
moby</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Good for him.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>As soon as he brought up D, he lost credibility</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Coz he's famous, his opinion is worth noting? Uh huh.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The opposite is true as well.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You're gonna hold a press conference like him or just release a statement?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The other opposite - his opinion does not get negated because he's a celebrity.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>But because he's a celebrity, he has to say "Hey! LISTEN TO ME! I'm a celebrity and you should listen to MY opinion!" Very pompous. I like Tiger Woods' comment "Why'd you ask me that question (re:Gulf War)? I'm a golfer! Okay?"</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I don't see how you come to that conclusion with the little context we're given.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>He's no different from the likes of Susan Suranden.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Or you. Do we want to hear your opinion? No. Do we get it anyway? Yes.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>That's why I stopped arguing about the Gulf War. And BTW....if you haven't noticed, you're too short sighted to have an opinion worth considering.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Oh, you know when and under what circumstances he said this?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>It doesn't get negated. It's as valid an opinion as any of ours. The issue is that because he is a celebrity, his opinions get press. They don't matter and nobody fucking cares.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>He was getting a blowjob from Eminem. Who the hell cares?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>What "press"? I got this quote from his blog.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yes, and the only reason you quoted that was because he was a celebrity. You dropped his name like it mattered. Now the focus is on what Moby thinks, not his argument.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You're the one criticizing him for (supposedly) calling attention to his opinions because he's a celebrity.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The only reason he NOTICED it is because he's a celebrity, but that's not the only reason he passed it on.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I doubt this would have been posted if it was the writings of Joe Assgoblin on an Angelfire site.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Maybe, maybe not. But if it's a factor, it's not the only factor.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Why is everybody so pissy about who said it? Seriously, I read several blogs from time to time... I would have posted this if any of the bloggers I read had written it. I think people are just trying to avoid considering what he SAID by discrediting him because of who he is.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Baskerville; text-align: left; '>...I don't care much for Bush, but if I hear about the election one more time I'm gonna puke...the electoral system is broken and we could easily be saying the same things about President Gore...half the country doesn't bother to vote and in some states there's no point in voting your party because you're outnumbered and your vote won't count even if its 500 to 499, all electoral votes go to the guy with 500...quit whining about the Supreme Court and Bush (and they weren't throwing Bush a bone, they were covering up for the horrible election system we have) and start whining about why it isn't one man, one vote, why voting isn't easier to do, and why the FUCK a state as big as Florida is using goddam punch cards for the FUCKING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION! How many people poked the wrong tab, pulled the worng switch, dropped the name in the wrong box...can you really say that Gore even one the popular vote, straight up, no doubts, no mistakes? And again, even if that could be proved, how is this all Bush's fault?

...the republicans were stupid hypocrites for attacking Clinton about a blowjob...maybe the democrats are just smarter than to be a bunch of hypocrites and attack a presidents morals when they have none themselves...I can see Ted Kennedy leading a committee on Bush's public drunkeness...

...just curious, did Enron get into trouble before or after Bush chose Cheney as his running mate?

...I never heard anything in the news about Bin Ladens family being flown out after 9/11...link please?

...the economy was in trouble and was headed in this direction when Clinton was still in charge...despite what many would like to think, it would be pretty hard to destroy an economy in less than 2 years while hardly putting any policies regarding the economy into place...

...yes, call out bush on his mistakes, I have no problem with that...guilt by association isn't very fair though, is it?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That implies I read it in the first place.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>He was simply saying that the things Bush has done so far would have landed Clinton in prison... but just because of Bush is a rep. and because of his last name, congress doesn't say shit. Jesus Christ, they impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob! Look at what Bush has done!</div>

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>pffft. So you don't even know what you're bitiching about? And you just wrote off the article without reading it just because Moby wrote it? And you're getting on Manaman's case?!? Am I the only one who sees the irony here?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Apparently you missed the fact that I'm obviously trolling. Good job.</div>

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>So you're good at pretending to be stupid. w00t!</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I've been trolling all the politics and war threads in the last month or so. If that makes me stupid, then feel free to feel high and mighty.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It doesn't make you stupid, it just makes most of your comments worthless.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Teddy Roosevelt should have gone to jail too, right?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>And?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Why bother?</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Why not?</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You're abusing people's trust that your posts are honest. Or do you see nothing wrong with that?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Apparently he doesn't, therefore he keeps on doing it, duh!</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Baskerville; text-align: left; '>And I'm saying more than half the shit he wants to nail Bush on, Bush wasn't responsible for...and that's bullshit no matter how you cut it...just like it was bullshit when they went after Clinton...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I think you give him too much credit.</div>