"So what are you expecting from the movie,Schindler's List?"
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Watch House of the Dead just for the shittiness of it all. It's so bad, it's a lesson on how not to make a licenced movie. It's so amazingly bad it's actually entertaining to watch just to see how much worse it's about to get.Kupek wrote:I admit I sympathize with the man, even if I think his movies (probably) suck. Everyone thinks his work so far is crap, which can't be easy to deal with. Is he going to agree with the crowd, or rationalize it away? I know what I'd probably end up doing.
I've never seen one of his movies, and I doubt I ever will. I can barely sit through the trailers for them, I don't think I could force myself to watch the whole thing.
That's a bogus argument. A movie doesn't have to profound or "high cinema" to be <i>good</i>. Case in point, one of my favorite action comedies, The Long Kiss Goodnight, has a ridiculous premise, but is all kinds of awesome.Ishamael wrote:I didn't realize there was this much Boll-hating going on. The guy does make a good point though - it ain't like he's going for high cinema here. In a way, he kind of reminds me of Kevin Smith striking back at Internet "fans".
I watch shitty movies for fun every now and then, but I was seriously ofended by House of the Dead. The fact that game companies allow this tool to make movies shows that they're only out for a quick buck(then again, how many of those were quality games). Nothing wrong with that, of course, and I actually admire his shrewdness, but he's mucking up my industry, and that just doesn't sit well with me. I hope the closing of that German tax code loophole puts him down for good.Zeus wrote:
Watch House of the Dead just for the shittiness of it all. It's so bad, it's a lesson on how not to make a licenced movie. It's so amazingly bad it's actually entertaining to watch just to see how much worse it's about to get.
For one who's seen some of his movies, this guy does deserve all the flack he's getting. I have no idea how he's still able to make movies....
There's high cinema, there's good cinema...and then there's House of the Dead. How can anyone bother getting offended by this? I thought Boll's comparisons to comic book source material vs video game source material was quite good. Calling it "source material" is pretty funny in fact. It's not like he went an hosed great novel or play.Kupek wrote:That's a bogus argument. A movie doesn't have to profound or "high cinema" to be <i>good</i>. Case in point, one of my favorite action comedies, The Long Kiss Goodnight, has a ridiculous premise, but is all kinds of awesome.Ishamael wrote:I didn't realize there was this much Boll-hating going on. The guy does make a good point though - it ain't like he's going for high cinema here. In a way, he kind of reminds me of Kevin Smith striking back at Internet "fans".
How do you know they're taking it seriously? Throwing a lot of money at a movie does not mean it's being taken seriously.Torgo wrote:
I watch shitty movies for fun every now and then, but I was seriously ofended by House of the Dead. The fact that game companies allow this tool to make movies shows that they're only out for a quick buck(then again, how many of those were quality games). Nothing wrong with that, of course, and I actually admire his shrewdness, but he's mucking up my industry, and that just doesn't sit well with me. I hope the closing of that German tax code loophole puts him down for good.
And I'm just glad that at least Konami is taking the Silent Hill movie very seriously.
One, Konami execs are actually producing (not just exec producing) this film if I'm not mistaken. Two, watch the trailer, they actually "got it" without making it lame, like nearly every other game movie trailer ever (even RE looked bad to me, but I liked the film). Three, they flat out said they weren't gonna just have the film made Boll-style, they were gonna make sure it was made properly. And they said it on multiple occassions.Ishamael wrote:How do you know they're taking it seriously? Throwing a lot of money at a movie does not mean it's being taken seriously.Torgo wrote: And I'm just glad that at least Konami is taking the Silent Hill movie very seriously.
I thought it was a cop-out. "My movies only suck because of what they're based on!" No, your movies suck because you made them that way. What he did or did not do to the source material is irrelevant.Ishamael wrote:I thought Boll's comparisons to comic book source material vs video game source material was quite good. Calling it "source material" is pretty funny in fact. It's not like he went an hosed great novel or play.
Amen!Kupek wrote:I thought it was a cop-out. "My movies only suck because of what they're based on!" No, your movies suck because you made them that way. What he did or did not do to the source material is irrelevant.Ishamael wrote:I thought Boll's comparisons to comic book source material vs video game source material was quite good. Calling it "source material" is pretty funny in fact. It's not like he went an hosed great novel or play.
Even with a bad story, you can fall back on good pacing and production values to make the movies tolerable and he really doesn't even have that.Kupek wrote:I thought it was a cop-out. "My movies only suck because of what they're based on!" No, your movies suck because you made them that way. What he did or did not do to the source material is irrelevant.Ishamael wrote:I thought Boll's comparisons to comic book source material vs video game source material was quite good. Calling it "source material" is pretty funny in fact. It's not like he went an hosed great novel or play.
But that's also a skewed audience who votes thereMental wrote:All three of his movies so far have been in the IMDB bottom 100. That takes a special mix of inability and self-delusion, I think.
I'm going to give you a million dollars. Yeah I know you haven't seen it, but you believe me right?Zeus wrote:One, Konami execs are actually producing (not just exec producing) this film if I'm not mistaken. Two, watch the trailer, they actually "got it" without making it lame, like nearly every other game movie trailer ever (even RE looked bad to me, but I liked the film). Three, they flat out said they weren't gonna just have the film made Boll-style, they were gonna make sure it was made properly. And they said it on multiple occassions.Ishamael wrote:How do you know they're taking it seriously? Throwing a lot of money at a movie does not mean it's being taken seriously.Torgo wrote: And I'm just glad that at least Konami is taking the Silent Hill movie very seriously.
Yeah, they're throwing millions into it, but at least it seems that they're spending wisely. The director, Christophe Gans(Brotherhood of the Wolf) plays videogames and is a fan of the series since the first game. The screenplay is by Roger Avary(Pulp Fiction), and the composer(one of them, at least) did the music for the games. It's true that all this doesn't guarantee a quality film, but I can't think of a better crew to work on a movie adaptaion of my one of favorite series.Ishamael wrote:Anyway, I've heard all I need to hear to know that it will almost certainly suck or if we're lucky, merely be forgettable. This isn't really going out on any limbs though - most movies suck or are forgettable.
I don't think any director goes out of his way to make a crappy movie -not even the great Boll. Movies die a thousand deaths along the way. If even a 10th of what you said is true, I can just see a million Konami execs running around the sets and script meetings trying to be director so that this movie has "it". In an effort to protect the franchise, all they're going to do is ruin just like every other movie by committtee.
And I agree with Zeus. Judging from the trailer, they're doing a swell job so far. From what I've seen, they at least got the set design and monsters (especially Pyramid Head) done right.EGM wrote:EGM: Did the stigma of working on a videogame-based film deter you?
Christophe Gans: Of course it w as challenging, but it was impossible for me to do Silent Hill and not be serious about it. It’s much easier to adapt Doom, even if it turns out to be a disaster- as we’ve seen (recently)- then to adapt Silent Hill. If you want to adapt Silent Hill, you must be ready to face all of the complexity of the story. For a lazy director, like the one who directed Doom, Silent Hill would be too big of a piece to swallow. I dreamed of adapting this game when I first started playing the first one six years ago. I prepared for this for years, knowing that every fan in the world would wait for me with an ax. I will be sniped when I go to buy my games at my favorite store if I do a bad job. And I understand that. I’m a fan of the games myself-I admire the work of Akira and his friends, and I feel like someone who joined the group and tried to transport that amazing piece of art into a different medium. I love the fandom, and I understand these people and how tense they get when they hear, “Your favorite game is going to be adapted by some French guy.” (Laughs)
What I'm impressed with was they way they did the transformation from the regular world to the alternate world. It's the alternate world that would very easily turn out to be lame and stupid but they seemed to stick with it in terms of making it look like the game, so it's actually looking quite good. That place HAS to be freaky and a little icky in order for the movie to be effective IMOTorgo wrote:
Here's an excerpt from an EGM review:
And I agree with Zeus. Judging from the trailer, they're doing a swell job so far. From what I've seen, they at least got the set design and monsters (especially Pyramid Head) done right.EGM wrote:EGM: Did the stigma of working on a videogame-based film deter you?
Christopher Gans: Of course it w as challenging, but it was impossible for me to do Silent Hill and not be serious about it. It’s much easier to adapt Doom, even if it turns out to be a disaster- as we’ve seen (recently)- then to adapt Silent Hill. If you want to adapt Silent Hill, you must be ready to face all of the complexity of the story. For a lazy director, like the one who directed Doom, Silent Hill would be too big of a piece to swallow. I dreamed of adapting this game when I first started playing the first one six years ago. I prepared for this for years, knowing that every fan in the world would wait for me with an ax. I will be sniped when I go to buy my games at my favorite store if I do a bad job. And I understand that. I’m a fan of the games myself-I admire the work of Akira and his friends, and I feel like someone who joined the group and tried to transport that amazing piece of art into a different medium. I love the fandom, and I understand these people and how tense they get when they hear, “Your favorite game is going to be adapted by some French guy.” (Laughs)
Yeah, when I watched the trailer, it didn't feel like a "video game movie" (whatever the hell that means). It was like a regular movie, but they happened to have Silent Hill's material in there. Of course, I haven't played Silent Hill, but I think the rest of you know what I'm talking about.Zeus wrote:One, Konami execs are actually producing (not just exec producing) this film if I'm not mistaken. Two, watch the trailer, they actually "got it" without making it lame, like nearly every other game movie trailer ever (even RE looked bad to me, but I liked the film). Three, they flat out said they weren't gonna just have the film made Boll-style, they were gonna make sure it was made properly. And they said it on multiple occassions.
Try playing the game before you see the movie (original). If the trailer is as good as the rest of the film, it should be an excellent translation. Plus, it's just a great gameSineSwiper wrote:Yeah, when I watched the trailer, it didn't feel like a "video game movie" (whatever the hell that means). It was like a regular movie, but they happened to have Silent Hill's material in there. Of course, I haven't played Silent Hill, but I think the rest of you know what I'm talking about.Zeus wrote:One, Konami execs are actually producing (not just exec producing) this film if I'm not mistaken. Two, watch the trailer, they actually "got it" without making it lame, like nearly every other game movie trailer ever (even RE looked bad to me, but I liked the film). Three, they flat out said they weren't gonna just have the film made Boll-style, they were gonna make sure it was made properly. And they said it on multiple occassions.