The Shrine

The series says if a Death dies for you, your life is extended by that of the Death's. I always thought this merely means you're living on time you otherwise wouldn't have. For example Misa should have died at around ~18 or whatever, a Death died to save her so now she gets to live longer by the virtue of not dying at 18. I've seen a lot of people say this means she gets her life (18) + Death's Life (presumably hundreds, if not thousands). This would mean Misa is basically immortal, which seems to be contrary as Remu was very unhappy that Misa's life was down to 1/4th. You'd think 1/4th of the life of a Death would still be significantly greater than the average lifespan of a human being.

Dude please call them Shinigami, it's confusing seeing you say a "Death", even the American Manga kept it Shinigami. >_> Oh and spoilers below for those who are watching the Anime. <_<

Anyway my understanding is that most Shinigami are lazy, and generally don't kill people unless they're about to die themselves. In addition to that Human years are not equal to Shinigami years and vice versa. For a Shinigami when they kill a Human they get the remaining lifespan of that Human, so if they're 50, and they're supposed to die in 5 years, the Shinigami gets 5 years of a Human's life. But 5 years of a Human's life isn't 5 years for a Shinigami, otherwise they could kill 10 people who have 10 years left each and never have to worry about killing again. That theory is backed by the odd time spans Shinigami see over people's heads vs Humans who make the deal for the Shinigami eyes.

In Misa's case, at least from my understanding, is that the Shinigami Jealous who sacrificed himself for her in the first case was already close to dying himself, when he was stalking Misa, he wasn't writing any other names down in his book, and he gave his lifespan for her. Same could be said for Rem to a lesser extent, he killed 3 Humans while he was working under Misa, and she got his lifespan as well. Had he not done that, there was no doubt L would have caught Misa and had her executed earlier, as per her shorter lifespan demanded it. SAme with turning in Light, he would have been executed and the following would have happened sooner:

A major spoiler, is after Light was killed for being Kira she commited suicide a year later, so as you can see, she wasn't immortal all the Shinigami sacrifices extended her life 7 years.

I have my own questions regarding Death Note. My cuz and I just saw the first ep a couple days ago and are really interested in watching it. I went and downloaded all of the Animanda ones up to #28. My questions are:

1) Is Animanda the only one left translating?
2) It airs Mondays, right?
3) How long after it airs does it take to show up for a download?
4) Is this a finite-length series?

Gracias

Consider the manga has ended quite a while ago, I'd say it's finite length series unless they start making stories about O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z like some fans suggested.

Zeus wrote:I have my own questions regarding Death Note. My cuz and I just saw the first ep a couple days ago and are really interested in watching it. I went and downloaded all of the Animanda ones up to #28. My questions are:

1) Is Animanda the only one left translating?
2) It airs Mondays, right?
3) How long after it airs does it take to show up for a download?
4) Is this a finite-length series?

Gracias

1) Kuro-Hana is also translating

2&3) Don't know, they're all generally slow about it, and it's pretty low quality, 2-3 days to get out.

4) It's 39 episodes apparently, and after the L arc it takes a slump down hill, it's cutting ALOT of stuff out of the manga to make up for the lack of episodes, 1-26 is completely accurate and especially well done though.

Is Animada the ones I should be looking for? They're the best translators?

It sucks that they're cutting it down to make it fit within a finite number of episodes. If it's popular, and from what I gather it is, why not just make it into a 51 or 75 episode series? Just doesn't make sense.

Because virtually no one liked DN after L arc is over so they might as well cut their losses early.

Don Wang wrote:Because virtually no one liked DN after L arc is over so they might as well cut their losses early.

So, they're gonna release more of a summary of the manga after the "L" arc?

Zeus wrote:

Don Wang wrote:Because virtually no one liked DN after L arc is over so they might as well cut their losses early.

So, they're gonna release more of a summary of the manga after the "L" arc?

Episodes 27-29 are like Volumes 7.6-9.

In comparison 1-26 is like Volumes 1-7.5

The end of episode 30 was a drastic shift from the manga.

Just finished ep 25 yesterday with my cuz. Those were among the best 25 eps I've ever seen of any anime. Just awesome

We're really fearing what happens with the show now that the L arc is over.

The live action movie had the right idea, have L and Kira took each other out and end it there, rather than going into the pointless successor of L arc.

You just ruined the ending of the movie......thanks :-)

Just give me a spoiler warning next time....

I haven't read the manga, but I didn't think the successor arc was as bad as everyone seems to think. It had a rough start (especially considering that it had to follow L's opening act) , but I thought led to a fairly satisfying ending.

Torgo wrote:I haven't read the manga, but I didn't think the successor arc was as bad as everyone seems to think. It had a rough start (especially considering that it had to follow L's opening act) , but I thought led to a fairly satisfying ending.

It was handled a bit better in the anime.

And the ending in the Anime was alot softer then the ending in the manga. You owe it to yourself to read the Manga version.

Eric wrote:

Torgo wrote:I haven't read the manga, but I didn't think the successor arc was as bad as everyone seems to think. It had a rough start (especially considering that it had to follow L's opening act) , but I thought led to a fairly satisfying ending.

It was handled a bit better in the anime.

And the ending in the Anime was alot softer then the ending in the manga. You owe it to yourself to read the Manga version.

SPOILERS (but I haven't seen ep 37 yet)

I'm with Torgo on this one. The anime has actually done pretty well with the N arc. They've done a good job with the intensity of the L arc. N seems to be a quicker, more calculating person than L. He's coming to the conclusions much faster without doubting himself and is making Light work pretty hard. Not sure if that's how it was in the manga, but it's done pretty well in the anime.

Now I gotta watch the last ep :-)

The N/M arc is more of the same psychic deductive power stuff like the L, like when N deduced who Kira #2 is from watching photos of people who attend the Kira Kingdom show. The difference is that L is actually kind of cool and N/M are not. Very few people actually watch DN as some kind of detective manga because it requires an incrdible suspension belief to believe that the FBI and whoever they sent after Kira can be this incompetent. Just like people watch HNG not because people actually cared about Go, DN is focused around the characters and N and M simply isn't the same as L.

Don Wang wrote:The N/M arc is more of the same psychic deductive power stuff like the L, like when N deduced who Kira #2 is from watching photos of people who attend the Kira Kingdom show. The difference is that L is actually kind of cool and N/M are not. Very few people actually watch DN as some kind of detective manga because it requires an incrdible suspension belief to believe that the FBI and whoever they sent after Kira can be this incompetent. Just like people watch HNG not because people actually cared about Go, DN is focused around the characters and N and M simply isn't the same as L.

It's anime, it always requires an incredible suspension of belief.

And I will agree, Mello was lame at the end of the day and N isn't quite as cool as L was. He was just more calculating and decisive, which made things move along far quicker. It kept the intensity of that second arc up in the anime. Don't forget, they're setting a lot of things up in the L arc too, it could easily have dragged a lot if N took as long or they tried to put as much depth into his character.

So, in a way, it's better for the series that he wasn't as deep. The type of series it is, I'd rather they cut it short and keep it tight rather than stretching it just to give unnecessary depth.

Just because it's Anime, doesn't mean it gets an automatic pass for suspension of belief. For example if I made a World War 2 anime that shows people in their own town randomly killing each other because they can, you'd probably not think this is a very accurate portrayal of that time period. Now if it's some futuristic anarchy world, maybe it is fine for this to happen.

The world that Death Note takes place is the Real World (TM) minus the existence of the DN. For example it is clear that their FBI is supposed to have access to the same training and technology as the real FBI, yet FBI agents in DN are only slightly smarter than rocks. If you ever watched a Discovery special on detective foresnics or whatever you'll know that an agency like FBI has incredible resources at its disposal and yet they were never present while they were trying to track down Kira. In the real world, Kira would have been abducted by US agents as soon as he killed those FBI guys and no one would ever hear from him again because he'd be detained in some secret US facility somewhere. I mean, we do this to people who do considerably less dangerous things than what the DN does, and yet the government in DN somehow values the human rights of a guy who kills thousand of people so much that they can't even lock him up.

You can make an argument that because L is proud and wanted to do it himself, he basically hendered anyone else from actually just abducting Kira and lock him away. But even then that doesn't really explain the utter incompetence of the FBI. When the other members of "L" show up like Watari who can hit a pistol with a sniper rifle from a helicopter, that's the kind of people Kira should have been dealing with at the start. The forces of good should have people of unimaginable talent and skills that would make Kira the underdog even with his supernatural powers.

Another example of suspension of belief is when L recovered the psudeo instructions of DN because one of his agents was able to piece together the leftover pieces from presumably a corporate shredder machine. I've seen those machines and there's no way you can recover a piece of paper being shredded by one of those (this is why people use those!).

As far as the N/M arc goes, N is basically invincible. Even a lesser version of L in terms of power/influence/smarts is not possible for Kira to defeat for the very simple reason that Kira will never be able to see someone with even a reduced version of L's influence. Note that Kira doesn't even know what N looks like until N was ready to arrest to him. In some sense N vs Kira is what DN would be like if it was realistic, and it's also pretty boring because Kira never stood a chance against someone who basically controlled the world's police network.

Edit: It appears you can reconstruct stuff from a shredder if you have enough resources and aided by a computer. But I'm pretty sure it just show someone taping the pieces back together and they got everything back. I'll have to double check though.