The Shrine

Oh no, what will they ever do now?

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Zeus wrote:Oh no, what will they ever do now?

make a good movie.

bovine wrote:

Zeus wrote:Oh no, what will they ever do now?

make a good movie.

Hey now, no slamming Transformers!

Zeus wrote:

bovine wrote:

Zeus wrote:Oh no, what will they ever do now?

make a good movie.

Hey now, no slamming Transformers!

While Michael Bay pulled off a very decent and entertaining first movie... the 2nd movie will need to be more story/development and not as much mindless action... so this is a good move.

Just to piss in Zeusy's cornflakes here


UPDATED: The webmaster for Bay's official site has posted the following on the site's message board: "I spoke to Michael a few minutes ago. He said he just wants people to know that we should be able to view his movies in the format of our choice. Period. Nothing more, nothing less." The webmaster later added, "Keep in mind he quit Pearl Harbor abut 4x during pre-production."

Tessian wrote:

Zeus wrote:

bovine wrote: make a good movie.

Hey now, no slamming Transformers!

While Michael Bay pulled off a very decent and entertaining first movie... the 2nd movie will need to be more story/development and not as much mindless action... so this is a good move.

maybe the transformers will actually be in the movie, not just the background.

Hey, you guys can slam Transformers all you want. I can't help it if you hate awesome.

Kupek wrote:Hey, you guys can slam Transformers all you want. I can't help it if you hate awesome.

why do you think I went out and pissed in their cornflakes...

and think of it this way boys.....when they do a TF2 they are going to want to try to hold a similar feel. so instead of getting a bay directed action flick you will get a guy apining a bay directed action flick which would not be pretty

I just didn't like that it was about the kid instead of the transformers. The product placement and pro-army overtones were basically the entire movie. The series was based on selling toys, not a particular brand of car, 360s, or a america's army. It just seemed like a 2 hour long commercial.

Shia LeBoeuf is likeable enough to stand two hours of so so plot.

Plus, The Transformers was a stupid idea back when it was popular, and it's just as stupid now. The movie was pretty much good enough to make a dumb idea entertaining.

Chris Hansbrough wrote:The webmaster later added, "Keep in mind he quit Pearl Harbor abut 4x during pre-production."

Heh, even he thought Pearl Harbor sucked. My respect for Bay just went up a few points.

RentCavalier wrote:Shia LeBoeuf is likeable enough to stand two hours of so so plot.

Aye, why all the hate on this kid? Really. I know he's been in a bunch of Disney stuff, but the guy's a good actor.

bovine wrote:

Tessian wrote:

Zeus wrote: Hey now, no slamming Transformers!

While Michael Bay pulled off a very decent and entertaining first movie... the 2nd movie will need to be more story/development and not as much mindless action... so this is a good move.

maybe the transformers will actually be in the movie, not just the background.

For what it's worth, Transformers has actually gone down a bit in my memory. It was cool, but I also can see where people are coming from too on the Transformers not really being in it, as remembering it has left me with a bit more feeling of "perhaps there should have been more plot development around the actual giant robots and their personalities there".

I think the scriptwriters, from a financial standpoint, were wise to focus so much on the humans, because the "mass market" still relates better to people than Transformers. But I will say it would be spectacular if the second Transformers movie had a lot more Transformers, and a lot more lines *by* the actual Transformers.

Shit, IIRC Starscream didn't even talk in the movie. I still think Transformers is a likable and pretty awesome movie, but it's harder for me in retrospect to feel the Transformers experience was complete without hearing Megatron and Starscream go at it verbally. Starscream's pitched, petulant, violent whine was one of the high points of the old show.

Kind of a shift for me, but time and memory do that sometimes.

RentCavalier wrote:
Plus, The Transformers was a stupid idea back when it was popular, and it's just as stupid now.

You want to walk out of this room right now and never turn back...

Transformers is an awesome concept and if written by the right person can make for stellar storylines (Beast Wars Seasons 2 and 3)... obviously as a kid's cartoon in the 80's deep plotlines and character development were not the driving points. This new movie was a DAMN entertaining movie, and they could keep it going amazingly well if they make the next movie ABOUT the transformers and a decent storyline and not just action.

It's a bunch of robots from a planet of robots finding the equivalent of God or the Source of All LIfe or Jesus or something, and they have a civil war going down with evil robots.

I mean, fuck, they try to find the ALL-SPARK. the "all-spark"? Right. Of course. BRILLIANT idea.

The only bad thing I can say about the movie is that the humans got too much screen time. The Transformers themselves were pure awesome. I thought the Spielberg/Bay combination was a great choice for the film and here's hoping for a sequel.

UPDATE: Bay has since posted the following retraction on his site: "Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD-DVD, it rocks! So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!"

Torgo wrote:The only bad thing I can say about the movie is that the humans got too much screen time. The Transformers themselves were pure awesome. I thought the Spielberg/Bay combination was a great choice for the film and here's hoping for a sequel.

UPDATE: Bay has since posted the following retraction on his site: "Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD-DVD, it rocks! So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!"

Translation: I got a fat load of cash and a batch of Thai hookers in exchange for my loyalty.

What the fuck does this quote...

Michael Bay wrote:Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-Ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-Ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD-DVD, it rocks!

...have to do with this quote?!?

Michael Bay wrote:So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!"

RentCavalier wrote:It's a bunch of robots from a planet of robots finding the equivalent of God or the Source of All LIfe or Jesus or something, and they have a civil war going down with evil robots.

I mean, fuck, they try to find the ALL-SPARK. the "all-spark"? Right. Of course. BRILLIANT idea.

The "Allspark" is a bullshitization (is that a word? it should be) of a something far less retarded in the original Transformers storyline, which would be the Creation Matrix.

In the original, it absolutely didn't have the power to blow anything up, just the power to pass on life to new Transformers. As such of course it was extremely valuable and much fighting was done over it in many different storylines (Optimus Prime passing it on to Ultra Magnus before his death was a major, major plot point in the original animated movie), but it wasn't quite as all-important and certainly couldn't have vaporized Megatron's chest (it only created, not destroyed).

To be honest, I thought the movie ending with the Allspark destroying Megatron was kind of a let's-resolve-things-in-Hollywood-style copout, but I was enjoying the rest of the movie and didn't really want to wreck that by whining to myself about it. Hopefully they do better in the next one.

Also, two other things.

1. Though I enjoyed the new Transformers, I still consider the old animated one leagues ahead of it in entertainment value.

2. Just bringing up Ultra Magnus makes me gibber to think how cool the CG version of him would be, though. Oh, God, that would be sweet. Here's hoping, in one of the sequels!

RentCavalier wrote:Shia LeBoeuf is likeable enough to stand two hours of so so plot.

Plus, The Transformers was a stupid idea back when it was popular, and it's just as stupid now. The movie was pretty much good enough to make a dumb idea entertaining.

I agree to an extent. Though in the 80's there was still the idea that robots were the wave of the future.