The Shrine

Finally got around to watching this. Never seen DC animated quite like this. It's a seperate DC Animated Universe from the Justice League, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS.

And boy does it have some moments of violence, there's one scene where Doomsay is holding the face of some soldier and the guy screams and Doomsday just cracks his neck like it's nothing.

The overall movie was enjoyable, it was a tad bit short, considering the subject matter I wish it had been longer. It follows Superman, Luthor's constant jealousy of Superman, which unearths Doomsday, the fight with Doomsday, the immediate aftermath, and of course the return of Superman. Again it could have been longer, for the subject matter, however I'll look beyond that, because I enjoyed it.

Yeah, FUCK THAT.

Doomsday is the shittiest Superman character, and the Death of Superman comic (Upon which, this animated movie is based) is the shittiest, most over-hyped comic ever conceived.

FUCK Superman. Unless they have Alan Moore writing him (or, in fact, anybody with some god-damn TALENT), Superman is a cheesy comic, and his stupid Justice League asshats in that story are the most poorly written, idiotic characters ever put on page.

RentCavalier wrote:Yeah, FUCK THAT.

Doomsday is the shittiest Superman character, and the Death of Superman comic (Upon which, this animated movie is based) is the shittiest, most over-hyped comic ever conceived.

FUCK Superman. Unless they have Alan Moore writing him (or, in fact, anybody with some god-damn TALENT), Superman is a cheesy comic, and his stupid Justice League asshats in that story are the most poorly written, idiotic characters ever put on page.

It's like you're trying to tell me something I just know it!

RentCavalier wrote:Yeah, FUCK THAT.

Doomsday is the shittiest Superman character, and the Death of Superman comic (Upon which, this animated movie is based) is the shittiest, most over-hyped comic ever conceived.

FUCK Superman. Unless they have Alan Moore writing him (or, in fact, anybody with some god-damn TALENT), Superman is a cheesy comic, and his stupid Justice League asshats in that story are the most poorly written, idiotic characters ever put on page.

try what greg rucka did with superman. A good superman story should not revolve around superman. it should revolve around the supporting cast. not a lot of writers got that. really outside of a coupld runs on the book I fucking hate him as well. but the good runs.....Greg Rucka made it fascinating by concentrating on a lot of things other than superman and an issue of his Adventures of Superman run is actually what got me back into comics....just blew meaway with amazingness. and his whole run for the most part took advantage of good storytelling concentrating mostly on Lois Lane and one of the cops.....oh and Mxyzptlyk. fantastic fucking stories. but yeah....The Death of superman was a shit story.....and actually...SUperman/Doomsday was.....decent....nothing good butit's nowhere near as bad as the marvel animated films or the recent superman brainac attacks thing they did.

Personally I'm looking forward to the next DC animated features which actually are following classic comic stories unlike this one which gutted the original (Making it better for the most part)

but the others are Darwyn Cookes DC : The New Frontier which is telling the story bridging the gap between the Golden And silver Age of comics.

And Teen Titans - Titans Hunt which is a classic story from the 80's. New fronteir though.......it is quite fantastic and a much better job than superman/doomsday is

Kingdom Come. Although that might fit your definition of revolving around the supporting cast.

Kingdom Come is fucking amazing. Still my favorite single graphic novel ever.

Nev wrote:Kingdom Come is fucking amazing. Still my favorite single graphic novel ever.

new frontier is so much better. sorry but just having alex ross on art does not a great book make....Kingdom Come was good but there is so much better out there

Drop the Ross hate already. He did pretty damn good on that shit, dog.

Nev wrote:Drop the Ross hate already. He did pretty damn good on that shit, dog.

his art looks stagnant and boring unless he's painting over someone elses layouts. it's what made his recent Justice series so fucking awesome. it looked fluid rather than a series of poses.....although his females still all manage to have the faces of men.

Dude, I know you're an artist too, but can you paint like he can, with the subtle variations on shading/etc., while putting out the output he also can?

If so, do so, and your financial problems are a thing of the past. Guarantee.

[quote="Nev"]Dude, I know you're an artist too, but can you paint like he can, with the subtle variations on shading/etc., while putting out the output he also can?

If so, do so, and your financial problems are a thing of the past. Guarantee.[/quotethe output he can? He does something once every 5 years or so and the rest of the time does covers. I hate his faces and I hate the fact that everything he does is poses. it's lifeless. just because he can do something I can't does not make him a genius. I don't like a lot of his stuff. When I read a comic I want movement and life, not stagnant posing. Alex Ross is a talented as hell bastard. but on sequentials....his art just doesn't work that well. I know painters who while not as good at the detail work I like more due to the fact they draw action rather than posing

Nev wrote:Dude, I know you're an artist too, but can you paint like he can, with the subtle variations on shading/etc., while putting out the output he also can?

Weak. Chris didn't say that he was a better artist, just that he didn't like Alex Ross' stuff, and you don't need to be better than someone at what they do to judge it.

I liked Kingdom Come, but mostly agree with Chris on Alex Ross' artwork. I find it pretty lifeless a lot of the time also.

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:

Nev wrote:Dude, I know you're an artist too, but can you paint like he can, with the subtle variations on shading/etc., while putting out the output he also can?

Weak. Chris didn't say that he was a better artist, just that he didn't like Alex Ross' stuff, and you don't need to be better than someone at what they do to judge it.

I liked Kingdom Come, but mostly agree with Chris on Alex Ross' artwork. I find it pretty lifeless a lot of the time also.

damn you. I was excited to whip out verbal ass beating but you beat me too it.....so not fair dude....so not fair.

I will continue in my Alex Ross fandom. I think he has a rare gift for shading and detail and it intrigues my pedantic nature. No other comic artist has come close to that yet for me.

And manface it may have been, but some of the chicks he painted in Kindgom Come were hoooooooot. Oh, my erect penis. That is all.

I don't see Ross' work as lifeless. I can think of several instances in Kingdom Come where character's faces display subtle emotions. But I think Kingdom Come is great because of both art and writing.

I'll pick up New Frontier when I see it. I've never heard of it - which isn't too surprising since I don't pay much attention to comics, but I do peruse graphics novels now and then, and I figured I would have seen it since it came out.

I'll have to go back and check out my copy of Kingdom Come before making a decision. I've always liked Ross' work just because it was very detailed and very skillful.

I assume most of you guys have read The Watchmen. I thought Dave Gibbons art in that was fantastical. I love just opening that thing to random points and reading it when I'm sitting at my desk. Not to mention that the story itself is sweet.

Eric wrote:Finally got around to watching this. Never seen DC animated quite like this. It's a seperate DC Animated Universe from the Justice League, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS.

And boy does it have some moments of violence, there's one scene where Doomsay is holding the face of some soldier and the guy screams and Doomsday just cracks his neck like it's nothing.

The overall movie was enjoyable, it was a tad bit short, considering the subject matter I wish it had been longer. It follows Superman, Luthor's constant jealousy of Superman, which unearths Doomsday, the fight with Doomsday, the immediate aftermath, and of course the return of Superman. Again it could have been longer, for the subject matter, however I'll look beyond that, because I enjoyed it.

I haven't seen it but the previews made me remember the days of watching Superman after school on the WB (now CW). I still wish they hadn't ended the series like they did but it was kind of dramatic, especially for the age group they marketed it too. I might rent this sometime.

Lox wrote:I'll have to go back and check out my copy of Kingdom Come before making a decision. I've always liked Ross' work just because it was very detailed and very skillful.

I assume most of you guys have read The Watchmen. I thought Dave Gibbons art in that was fantastical. I love just opening that thing to random points and reading it when I'm sitting at my desk. Not to mention that the story itself is sweet.

Dave gibbons is a great artist. he's not amazing but he's technically solid. doesn't make stupid mistakes that a lot of artists make and is always on time. I love that in an artist. it's why I'm a huge fan of people like him, Joe Bennet, Javier Pina, Jesus Saiz, and a lot of similar artists who are capable of puuting out 1 or 2 good looking books a month. I'd rather have that than a Jim Lee everything looks beautiful but can only do a few issues a year style artist anyday....

oh....and I'd rather tear off my own dick to fuck myself in the ass than look at anything from Rob Liefeld

oh and dude.....from what I heard from Dave.....the movie is looking to be bloody spectacular...

Chris Hansbrough wrote:Dave gibbons is a great artist. he's not amazing but he's technically solid. doesn't make stupid mistakes that a lot of artists make and is always on time. I love that in an artist. it's why I'm a huge fan of people like him, Joe Bennet, Javier Pina, Jesus Saiz, and a lot of similar artists who are capable of puuting out 1 or 2 good looking books a month. I'd rather have that than a Jim Lee everything looks beautiful but can only do a few issues a year style artist anyday....

oh....and I'd rather tear off my own dick to fuck myself in the ass than look at anything from Rob Liefeld

oh and dude.....from what I heard from Dave.....the movie is looking to be bloody spectacular...

Yeah, that's what I like about his style also. It's just clean, solid, but it can tell you so much just from the art. I've always loved Jim Lee's art because it is so cool and fun to look at, but sometimes it's too flashy for the story. I still like to just sit and stare at it sometimes though.

I'm glad to hear the movie is turning out well. I cannot wait. There are 2 movies I will see on opening night. The Dark Knight and The Watchmen.

And yes, Liefield sucks.

While we're talking about comic art, I would like to communicate my hate over the Hildebrandt Brothers. It's not that I hated the artwork, but I hated the hype around their artwork. One, comic books are meant to have a semi-nonrealistic art style. Two, everybody kept talking about their art as if they were God's gift to comic book artists.

I'm still kinda curious why people draw Superman looking so old. They wanted to do it for the first season of Justice League, but they changed it for the 2nd season.

In this movie he also looked old. Wonder what's up with that?

Eric wrote:I'm still kinda curious why people draw Superman looking so old. They wanted to do it for the first season of Justice League, but they changed it for the 2nd season.

In this movie he also looked old. Wonder what's up with that?

they were trying to base it on a more comicy art style the designs in all the upcoming flicks aren't being done by Bruce Timm for these but by the origina artists. in the case of this one I think it was Bruce Timm trying to use the style of the artists though but for the next ones I do know it is the original art they are basing it on. WHich will work amazingly for New Frontier as Darwyn cooke pretty much draws cartoons with his style. and they are basing the Teen Titans Judas contract art on George Perez pencils. which......well...I don't know how it will work. guess I'll find out with a preview in New frontier.

they also announced a couple more hwhich is cool recently. they have a batman anime coming up taking place in the Batman Begins bat-verse as well as a regular batman storyline. they havn't said what storyline but I relly really hope it's not nightfall