The Shrine

It's almost 5AM, and I finally finished Death Note. Very well done, and kept me hooked until the end. The L arc was better than the N/M arc, but it provided closure to the whole series.

The dynamic with Light and L/N was strange, there were times when you were really for Light's side, and others when you hated Light's actions. The episodes when Light was his normal self made me want to keep the three of them in that state for the rest of the time, but by the time he regained his powers, I was dying for a real enemy, anyway. By the time the last 10 episodes came about, I really hated how cold-blooded Light had become. The shades of gray seemed to disappear. And then you kinda feel sorry for him (and Misa) on the last episode. I kinda wished that Kira accepted his fate, instead of running until the end.

Also, the 2nd intro was one of the best I've seen. Who would have thought that Japanese Death Metal (with a touch of System of a Down) would have worked so well?

Did anybody catch the last two "rules" in the last episode? Everybody dies and goes to Nothingness. This was sort of a poetic jab-in-the-eye of the "Heaven and Hell" and biblical things they were talking about in previous episodes, as if to say "All of these things don't matter, because there is no judgment to speak of." Of course, the Death Gods know this, and this is likely why they don't even give a shit about who to kill, morals, and whether their role is important.

I know you don't read manga Sine, but you should download volume 12 somewhere to check out the colder ending.

Just describe it. I was trying to find a good summary for it, but I couldn't find anything. There was something about Kira's followers holding a candlelight mourning thing, and Ruuk didn't have much involvement in the manga. But, that's all I read.

Manga spoilers now people....

From what my cuz told me, Light eventually gets trapped by N like he did in the manga and does die. However, it's the reaction of the world that they didn't show that's supposed to be very cool. Remember, there were TONS of people on Kira's side, thinking he was doing the world justice. So after it was known that he was dead, there were tons of vigils and stuff held and people who mourned him like a martyr. Then, at the very, very end, you see one of the mourners there and she's got the Death God eyes. That's pretty cool as it shows that he's likely not the first and definitely won't be the last and that, likely, his "legacy" will live on. He truly does become a martyr and maybe even an inspiration for those who may find the Death Note behind him even though he himself became drunk with power.

I do think the L arc was stronger than the N arc, but that doesn't mean the N arc sucked. I thought they did a very good job in keeping most of the intensity of the series going with the N arc and ending it relatively well, particularly since it apparently dragged on to hell in the manga. Don and Eric were saying they cut it down HUGE in the anime.

Also, the live action film is a lot better than you think it's gonna be with yet another ending. Not as good as the anime but still pretty decent with a solid ending.

I stopped watching the anime when L died... how long was this next N arc and is it worth watching?

I dunno. The ending needed to be normalcy with the death of Light and the death of the DN cycle. (One would assume that N would ask the Death God to simply take the book back, since he's had his fun with it.) After all, the end of the L arc has the bad guy winning, as the rise of Kira, so the fall of Kira would only be logical.

The last arc is worth watching, though you might have spoiled some of the fun here. I was actually convinced that Kira would pull something out of his ass and come out the victor during the last few episodes. I wished that he wasn't so cold-blooded that he would have ended up with a mate to counterbalance his dark side, but I guess the phrase "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" applies throughout the series.

Tessian wrote:I stopped watching the anime when L died... how long was this next N arc and is it worth watching?

12 episodes and it brings decent closure to the storyline, so yes, it's damned worth it IMO. Otherwise, you're just left sayin' "so, Light is just a God and that's it?" while waiting for a sequel series to come out.

SineSwiper wrote:I dunno. The ending needed to be normalcy with the death of Light and the death of the DN cycle. (One would assume that N would ask the Death God to simply take the book back, since he's had his fun with it.) After all, the end of the L arc has the bad guy winning, as the rise of Kira, so the fall of Kira would only be logical.

For sure, but it's JUST as logical that since there are multiple Shinigami that there are multiple Death Notes, particularly that Ryuk still has one. And Misa already got one so what's to say that no other human will ever get one again? It's really a never-ending cycle, particularly if you have bored Shinigami. I think that's a much better ending.

Zeus wrote:Manga spoilers now people....

From what my cuz told me, Light eventually gets trapped by N like he did in the manga and does die. However, it's the reaction of the world that they didn't show that's supposed to be very cool. Remember, there were TONS of people on Kira's side, thinking he was doing the world justice. So after it was known that he was dead, there were tons of vigils and stuff held and people who mourned him like a martyr. Then, at the very, very end, you see one of the mourners there and she's got the Death God eyes. That's pretty cool as it shows that he's likely not the first and definitely won't be the last and that, likely, his "legacy" will live on. He truly does become a martyr and maybe even an inspiration for those who may find the Death Note behind him even though he himself became drunk with power.

I do think the L arc was stronger than the N arc, but that doesn't mean the N arc sucked. I thought they did a very good job in keeping most of the intensity of the series going with the N arc and ending it relatively well, particularly since it apparently dragged on to hell in the manga. Don and Eric were saying they cut it down HUGE in the anime.

Also, the live action film is a lot better than you think it's gonna be with yet another ending. Not as good as the anime but still pretty decent with a solid ending.

Your cuz cut out the part where Light begs Ryuk to write their(N & Company) names down in his Death Note, and Ryuk laughs it off and says sure, he'll write...Light laughs thinking he's found an angle to win, but Ryuk informs Light that the only name he'll be writing down is Light's, much to Light's surprise, Light begs Ryuk not to kill him, and Ryuk explains again that as he told them when they first met when Light dies it'll be him writing his name down, he begs for his life all pathetically, graveling, and there's a flash back to Light figuring out that there is no heaven or hell from Ryuk's statement whoever uses the Death Note can't go to heaven/hell, death is equal. Light dies, with a last "Shit..." :p It was a beautiful scene of what goes around comes around and I thought the anime took it a different route with "What could have been" instead of giving Light what he deserved, which was a cold heartless death.

There's also a final chapter where Matsuda explains that Near wrote Mikami's name down in the notebook to make him come to the meeting and not check the Notebook before hand, as a calculating man such as Mikami wouldn't have made such a huge error(In the manga Mikami commits suicide 10 days later in jail, he doesn't kill himself in the warehouse). Of course this is shrugged off to Matsuda liking Light, even if he was Kira.

Eric wrote:There's also a final chapter where Matsuda explains that Near wrote Mikami's name down in the notebook to make him come to the meeting and not check the Notebook before hand, as a calculating man such as Mikami wouldn't have made such a huge error(In the manga Mikami commits suicide 10 days later in jail, he doesn't kill himself in the warehouse). Of course this is shrugged off to Matsuda liking Light, even if he was Kira.

This would be in conflict with what Kira said "N was too soft to use the Death Note." I tend to agree. Except using death row inmates, none of the good guys ever used the Death Note.

Well the Alphabet guys all have access to stuff like special forces and whatnot, so if they really wanted to 'cheat' the system they could have done it from the get go. Though it's hard to argue having underlings that can just copy the entire death note with perfect accuracy in one day isn't cheating.

The fact that there is no judgment and heaven & hell is not a rule. It's just the reality of the world of DN. Kira had some supporters, but it's not like the world was on his side...

Yeah, I knew it wasn't a rule, but that was what they put in the commercial endpoints in the middle of the episodes.

Speaking of rules, did anybody catch the one about misspelling names? I thought that was kinda dumb, since Light was trying to spell all variations of the bike harasser's name in the first episode, and it didn't affect him at all (nor didn't it not cause it to work).

The misspelling rule was not part of the original. There's only like 5 rules originally and the author added a bunch because there's all kinds of weird conflicts. I mean if you look at the misspelling rule it's basically saying if you misspell 4 times then you can't kill that guy, except when you're purposely trying to misspell it. This kind of brings back to the other thread Eric and I was in. The notebook itself must be omniscient to know if you're purposely or genuinely misspelling someone's name, just like it is omniscient to be able to figure out if killing X causes Y to die as well and abort them as needed.

I was rooting for Light the whole time. I was sad when he failed at the end, due to his overconfidence

bovine wrote:I was rooting for Light the whole time. I was sad when he failed at the end, due to his overconfidence

Me too, but obviously the authors did not want him to win and cheated by making N a genius beyond genius 10 year old... give me a break. N is a cheat.

I really liked the series. This was the first anime I've seen since Metropolis, and the first series since Berserk. I wish I hadn't known Light was going to beat L (thanks, Zeus... not that big a deal though), but thankfully nothing else was spoiled for me.

I definitely dug the L arc more than N.

What should I watch next? I'd like to see something along the lines of DN... nothing too kiddy, over-the-top Japanese, or about... Tennis.

SineSwiper wrote:Yeah, I knew it wasn't a rule, but that was what they put in the commercial endpoints in the middle of the episodes.

Speaking of rules, did anybody catch the one about misspelling names? I thought that was kinda dumb, since Light was trying to spell all variations of the bike harasser's name in the first episode, and it didn't affect him at all (nor didn't it not cause it to work).

Apparently Light got the name right on his 2nd try.

According to the author.

I'd say Kira got affected by some of the critical stupidity that L had toward the end so it makes it even.

N isn't exactly that smart, but just utilized his godly henchman better than L did. There's a flash movie somewhere about how the SPK guy how to overcome in order to duplicate the DN in one night, and if you think about it that requires almost godlike powers because it's pretty clear that he just handwritten the whole thing. There's another fan made 4 box comic where W is saying he could have duplicated the DN in half a night, and he's probably more than capable of doing it.

Don Wang wrote:I'd say Kira got affected by some of the critical stupidity that L had toward the end so it makes it even.

N isn't exactly that smart, but just utilized his godly henchman better than L did. There's a flash movie somewhere about how the SPK guy how to overcome in order to duplicate the DN in one night, and if you think about it that requires almost godlike powers because it's pretty clear that he just handwritten the whole thing. There's another fan made 4 box comic where W is saying he could have duplicated the DN in half a night, and he's probably more than capable of doing it.

All of Light's henchman sucked though, Misa was an idiot, Takada wasn't much better. Mikami was a loyal drone, but again his stupidity lead to Light's downfall. In a perfect world people would have done exactly like Light wanted, but I guess you could call it stupidity on his part for believing that much in his worshipers.

L, what can you really say about L? I mean I don't see how things could have ended differently for him. He would have caught Light/Misa, he would have put them in confinement. Light's plan would have been the same. The only thing that really comes to mind is giving a Kira suspect the bloody Murder Notebook, I think I would have given pause to that. Especially when you consider the little theatrics that Light and his father went through meant nothing.

N said he was planning to lock Kira away forever. They could have done that from the start, since obviously the Alphabet guys have special privileges in the world of DN. I'm pretty sure they won't need a reason to just lock someone up forever anyway. Again this really goes into what L is saying, that he, and all the subsequent Alphabets are basically spoiled brats who just want a *fair* 1on1 against Kira as opposed to actually try to end what amounts to a terrorist regime. Since DN is supposed to be real-life like in the world view, that's basically akin to trying to have a duel with Osama Bin Laden when you could've launched a cruise missile and blow him up.

If L was actually trying to take care of the problem he'd either lock up Kira forever or better yet just send W to Japan and shoot him. Of course the whole thing fails on an intellectual level because if you ever look at one of these foresnics specials on Discovery or whatever you know that the good guys have a lot of fancy technology stuff they have access to, and obviously L has access to all of them (and then some superhuman like powers to boot). It's hard to take Kira's worldview seriously because it's founded upon the opposition's utter stupidity, probably because the author never watched any Discovery channel specials. Note the appeal to the leet haxors in the part where they work together, or that one of L's henchman was able to recover a document from presumably a high grade corporate shredder (which only shred stuff up to like 15 pieces!) has astonishingly lack of foresight.

But then DN is not really about crime logic/techniques like say Kendachi or Detective Conan. Really the whole thing is about the character L and to a lesser extent Kira. Since it was the same person who draw Hikaru no Go, it's quite simliar in that HNG was never about Go, but about its characters. The fact that the illustrator of HNG/DN is pretty much the #1 illustrator in Japan that doesn't write his own manga (his own manga has horrible plot so he just draws for other people instead) helps a lot too, though like one person puts it, HNG shows that talent is enough to make up lack of plot, but DN reaffirms that talent is not enough to make up lack of plot.

Still, DN benefits from having basically the best illustrator around and it shows. As he said while drawing HNG, he doesn't care for pretty boy characters like Hikaru or Kira, but he works hard on the non standard pretty guy template guys. In HNG you can tell he puts more work on all the old guys. In DN it's more like L, W, and a good portion of the Japanese police team. HNG/DN has incredibly strong characters that are not part of the pretty boy template from an artistic point of view.

Black Lotus wrote:I really liked the series. This was the first anime I've seen since Metropolis, and the first series since Berserk. I wish I hadn't known Light was going to beat L (thanks, Zeus... not that big a deal though), but thankfully nothing else was spoiled for me.

Spoiled how? Just by telling you there was an N arc?

Basically, yes.

Black Lotus wrote:Basically, yes.

I got the same 'spoiler' then from Don and Eric. Didn't really affect the enjoyment of the series though.

Have you see the live action movie? Then ending in that is pretty neat and much different

I'm going to watch it tonight. I gotta say though, I'm coming in with some serious personal bias. After watching BR2, it's going to be hard to take Tatsuya Fujiwara seriously anymore (he's Shuya in BR1&2 and Light in DN).

Kind of the same way you can't take "DiFaggio" seriously.

The problem is calling it "L arc". It's like calling the first disc of FF7 the "Aeris arc". It implies finality, but there's no other better way to call the "arc".

Zeus wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:Basically, yes.

I got the same 'spoiler' then from Don and Eric. Didn't really affect the enjoyment of the series though.

Have you see the live action movie? Then ending in that is pretty neat and much different

I couldnt find the second part subbed... i DL'ed one that was just Japanese, which is no good. Do you have a link to the torrent?

Hmmm, so the version i have [darklimited] deathnote - the last name.mkv is supposed to have subs... maybe the player i am using for this goofy .mkv is a crappy one, which do you use?

This:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/863362

Flip wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:Basically, yes.

I got the same 'spoiler' then from Don and Eric. Didn't really affect the enjoyment of the series though.

Have you see the live action movie? Then ending in that is pretty neat and much different

I couldnt find the second part subbed... i DL'ed one that was just Japanese, which is no good. Do you have a link to the torrent?

It's on Boxtorrents. I'm at work so I can't go there and give you a link and not even sure you can d'load unless you have an account. Eric?

Eh? I got no box torrent account. I usually just download episodes as they come out

Eric wrote:Eh? I got no box torrent account. I usually just download episodes as they come out

Sorry, thought you did.

When I get home I'll see if I can just post the link. In the meantime, I'm sure it's somewhere available on Torrentspy or ISOHunt

I might really, really like the soundtrack to Death Note. The L and Near themes are amazing.

Flip wrote:Hmmm, so the version i have [darklimited] deathnote - the last name.mkv is supposed to have subs... maybe the player i am using for this goofy .mkv is a crappy one, which do you use?

MKVs are great. They have multiple audio formats, multiple subtitles, etc., all in one packaged file. You'll need VLC Player to play them, but you should be using that as your player, anyway. Saves the need to download all of those fucking codecs.

SineSwiper wrote:

Flip wrote:Hmmm, so the version i have [darklimited] deathnote - the last name.mkv is supposed to have subs... maybe the player i am using for this goofy .mkv is a crappy one, which do you use?

MKVs are great. They have multiple audio formats, multiple subtitles, etc., all in one packaged file. You'll need VLC Player to play them, but you should be using that as your player, anyway. Saves the need to download all of those fucking codecs.

Nice, it works in VLC with subs. Thanks.

Yeah, it's great for anime, since you can save both the Japanese and English tracks in Stereo and 5.1, if you like. I prefer them on BTs, because that means that I usually can choose the dub. (I prefer dubs if the dub is good.)

Flip wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:Basically, yes.

I got the same 'spoiler' then from Don and Eric. Didn't really affect the enjoyment of the series though.

Have you see the live action movie? Then ending in that is pretty neat and much different

I couldnt find the second part subbed... i DL'ed one that was just Japanese, which is no good. Do you have a link to the torrent?

Link:

http://www.boxtorrents.com/details.php?id=130300&hit=1

Finished it last night..good stuff. I was rooting for Light though, despite how cold he became. I was hoping for him and Takada? to really be together.

I did like the L arc much better as well.

So how is the live action? Does it go through the entire story as well, or is it based on it? etc...

Seraphina wrote:Finished it last night..good stuff. I was rooting for Light though, despite how cold he became. I was hoping for him and Takada? to really be together.

I did like the L arc much better as well.

So how is the live action? Does it go through the entire story as well, or is it based on it? etc...

Stops at the L arc, alternate ending, alternate storyline.

L acts like L, Light acts like Light, subtle differences, after all you have to consider they shrunk it down to about 4-5 hours between 2 movies

Ive watched the first live action ep and its pretty good. I'm glad they cut out what they did and am actually happy with the changes they made so far. My gripe, though, is that it doesnt have time to truly show the genius of Light. They play up L very well, but i would bet that to someone who has not seen the anime or read the manga, Light doesnt look to be a worthy ally. Maybe the second part changes that a little.

Light was never a worthy adversary for L to begin with. He starts off with basically a position that even a moron couldn't have screwed up from, because no amount of genius can let you deduce how you can kill people by writing down people's name in a notebook. It's been said quite a few times that during the national TV thing, if Light wasn't trying to kill L on national TV he wouldn't even know which part of the country to look in. He also has help of a couple supernatural beings on his side too, even though one can argue the people L has access to are pretty close to supernatural as well.

Flip wrote:Ive watched the first live action ep and its pretty good. I'm glad they cut out what they did and am actually happy with the changes they made so far. My gripe, though, is that it doesnt have time to truly show the genius of Light. They play up L very well, but i would bet that to someone who has not seen the anime or read the manga, Light doesnt look to be a worthy ally. Maybe the second part changes that a little.

Light's characters is a little lite, I agree. But it's a pretty solid take on the L arc with a decent ending.

Plus it's got the guy from Iron Chef as the Chief, you can't go wrong!

Don Wang wrote:Light was never a worthy adversary for L to begin with. He starts off with basically a position that even a moron couldn't have screwed up from, because no amount of genius can let you deduce how you can kill people by writing down people's name in a notebook.

They didn't know it was a notebook. They just knew that these guys were randomly dying from heart attacks from around the world in a very short amount of time. The idea that these people were murdered by normal means seemed impossible. From there, L just followed the quote: When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains--however improbable--must be the truth.

He didn't think it was supernatural, but he definitely didn't eliminate that possibility. He suspected that it started in Kyoto, since that was where the first heart attack was found, and he guessed right. After the national TV experiment, he knew for sure that Kira only needed a name and a face to kill. Yes, the experiment was a risk, since it could have failed, but the detective work (at least in the beginning) was sound and realistic.

Live action ending spoilers:

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I liked how it ended in the live action movie. It felt like a morph of the L and N arc of the anime and was done very well. However, i'm confused slightly, which is usually the case when thet run the subs too quickly... Misa, once let out of confinement, used the buried note to make her judgments, they said that one was a fake and the detective team simply said the names she wrote were dead. How did they switch the buried note? I guess the snuck into her room after she was let out and found it? Also, why did L die in 20 days? Did he write his own name in the note with the description that he is to die in 20 days? He did this to prove to Light's father that he was serious that Light was Kira? I think i'm right on all this, but wanted to make sure. How in the world do they plan to make a live action sequel? It would already start out absurdly different since the main character is dead... *shrug* Good movie, though, worth the watch.

For the spoilers:

The first person to use DN takes priority, so L wrote his name down first and picked his own death at the latest time. This prevents anyone else from killing him with a DN at any earlier date.

SineSwiper wrote:

Don Wang wrote:Light was never a worthy adversary for L to begin with. He starts off with basically a position that even a moron couldn't have screwed up from, because no amount of genius can let you deduce how you can kill people by writing down people's name in a notebook.

They didn't know it was a notebook. They just knew that these guys were randomly dying from heart attacks from around the world in a very short amount of time. The idea that these people were murdered by normal means seemed impossible. From there, L just followed the quote: When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains--however improbable--must be the truth.

He didn't think it was supernatural, but he definitely didn't eliminate that possibility. He suspected that it started in Kyoto, since that was where the first heart attack was found, and he guessed right. After the national TV experiment, he knew for sure that Kira only needed a name and a face to kill. Yes, the experiment was a risk, since it could have failed, but the detective work (at least in the beginning) was sound and realistic.

There was nothing that he could have done to deduce the source was a notebook. Therefore he never knew what to even look for to start until Light passed the DN to someone who's even dumber than himself.

If Light didn't try to kill L on national TV then there wouldn't be a story. All L would know is there's someone in Japan that's doing this. Of course most of L's deduction is hardly logical. It's akin to trying to work something backwards from the solution. That is to say L's deduction process requires him already knowing what the answer is, and he is coming up with the steps necessary to come to the right conclusion.

Again I have to point out you're talking about logical deduction written by an author who does not even possess the intelligence regarding crime investigation/forsenics by watching one episode of Discovery Channel. To put it simply, whoever wrote DN was probably dumber than your average person and wants you to believe these two guys she wrote about have superhuman level of intelligence + deduction, which simply doesn't work at all. I don't know how smart you have to be to write about a Sherlock Holmes or whatever, but I'm pretty sure these authors are not below average in intelligence and made up the rest through extensive research & time, and neither are present in DN. In fact you can say DN's worldview is what you'd get if you watch some cheap spy movie (that's about how good the FBI and top agents of the world are at following people in DN).

This is a common trap a lot of manga/anime fall into, that if you don't have superhuman level intelligence it is difficult to write about someone who has such intelligence, because if you can then you'd have such intelligence to begin with. Even if you look at something that's obviously a decently researched detective story like Detective School Q, it is pretty clear that whoever wrote this, while being a decently smart guy, does not have a level of intelligence equal to Lord Hades who is supposed to make L look like a pretty dumb guy, so when Lord Hades shows up you never got the feeling he's this impossibly smart guy, because the author is not an impossibly smart guy. According to the story the level of intelligence goes Lord Hades >>> Cerberus >>> Thantos >>> generic evil henchmen. Yet you'll find the generic evil henchman put up just as a challenge as Lord Hades in Detective School Q because both roughly have the same intelligence as the author. In fact Lord Hades is actually a pushover because the author gave him a weakness (he's a cripple) that's supposed to make up for his intelligence, but then it means whenver you've a suspect and only one guy is on a wheelchair/cane, that guy HAS to be Lord Hades.

The advantage of the DN is pretty insurmountable. If you've 2 guys of comparable intelligence and one has the book and one does not, there's no way the one with the book should ever expose himself in a position where he's vulnerable. This is even despite the fact that L has access to some henchman who seems can do next to impossible things.

You talk about this stuff in theory without actually countering my reply. You also seem to be forgetting details of the anime, because they didn't know it was a notebook for a long, long time.

The whole point was that it's difficult for any kind of investigation to be made if you didn't know it was a notebook, and there was no way anyone could've figured out it was a notebook in the first place.

Well the whole point of Death Note is that he wanted to fight back at L.

If Light's objective was simply to go about and kill criminals, he could have done that, even if L knew where he was from. The evidence was ridiculously bland. Then Light showed he was getting information from inside the investigation, then he killed Rayne Penbar and the FBI agents.

For every action L made, there was a reaction from Light.

It's actually a fairly old police trick, you put pressure on the person you're chasing and you hope they screw up, because in actuality you have nothing, it's not until they mess up that you get something out of them to put them away.

Light already had a godlike kind of mentality so he wasn't going to get pressured into mistake, at least that's what the story claims anyway. You can also easily infer that Light can accurately fake any kind of emotion necessary as the situation demands, so again apply pressure to him won't reveal anything (though you'd think they should just get a hidden camera when he starts laughing manically).

L and Light is basically involved in some kind of warped duel, but the problem is that whenver Light tries to strike back, he kills people who are:

1. Not the kind of guy he's supposed to be killing according to his logic.
2. People who are actually pretty hard to kill which reveals too much about the nature of his powers.

If you take what the author says and believe Light is always calm and cool-headed, then you must assume the actions he did was not out of anger, but out of stupidity. You can argue he wasn't thinking straight when he tried to kill L on national TV, but the FBI guys are definitely a calculated move, one that basically helped L narrow the suspects down to a manageable number.

Light was obviously not calm and cool headed, him ACTING calm and coolheaded, and having a dick look on his face when he realized L tricked him on TV, and also made him look like a fool at his graduation which resulted in him slamming his face and elbows into his desk, obviously shook him.

You can't say because Light claimed to always be in control he was.

L pushed him, he pushed back, and almost lost because of it.
Again he gambled and it paid off, there was an excellent chance that Light would NEVER have gotten the Notebook back in his possession for as long as he did, but he did, which was L's fault. "Oh look, murder notebook, here Light, how about you go over some things with it for 2 minutes." lol.