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pivotal part in One Piece this week!

PostPosted:Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:10 pm
by Don
So the Straw Hats pretty much have been completely annihilated, and now the question is how does the rebuilding take place. The popular theory would be for Luffy and others to start training in high gravity rooms and learn how to throw fireballs. It's certainly a method that will generate a lot of sales, but it'll also guaranteed OP has no chance of ever beating Dragonball so far as classics go (nobody is better at training than Dragonball).

I actually saw quite a few guys say something what RentCaliver (I think he did anyway) said with how the Straw Hats needs some kind of strategeist. The whole punch a Celestial Dragon thing reminds me of something in Indiana Jones the Last Crusade (the game) where you've the option to punch Hilter and then get machine gunned to death immediately. Someone's got to be in the Straw Hats to step in and say fighting 5 guys that each annihilate your entire team is a bad idea even if it's in the name of freedom. I actually don't particularly dislike the fact that the Straw Hats are weak. They're really just a bunch of kids having a good time, but the whole thing with Luffy randomly punching VIPs around the world and expect to avoid retaliation just because he can has to stop.

I realize the whole Celestial Dragon guys are supposed to be the spoiled guys who rule the world with an iron grip, but really I think the Straw Hats are just as spoiled. They basically have no power, as if there is a power stat their combined power would be way lower than the people they mess with. Since Luffy is very well connected, lucky, and not to mention the main character, he usually gets away with stuff like declaring war on the entire world, but it gets old after a while. I like Bear's basically saying hey kid, I can kill every one of you right now if I wanted to, but I'm going to give you one last chance to get out of this mess. I'm curious if the author has the ability to write a coherent conclusion to this chain of events, and have the Straw Hats make good use of the last chance they get to screw around.

I mean, even if you say all the Straw Hats are quasi-immortal so there was never any danger involved in them, it seems like punching a Celestial Dragon can basically end up having genocide commited as retaliation. Certainly if you look at what was sent out by the World Government as retaliation, it would not be surprising if the entire island has been wiped off the face of the map already. One of the guys on the OP board calculated that so far there has been somewhere in the MILLIONS range of people who have died in One Piece counting all flashbacks, and that's only including people who can plausibly survive (e.g. shot in the head, multiple times).

During the CP9 arc, Luffy basically triggered a Buster Call, and even if you can accept the absurd explanation that not a single guy on his side died while being bombarded by 5 battleships, it's estimated that the navy probably lost 2000 people in the Buster Call from attacking the Straw Hats. So is the point that freedom and life is only for the Straw Hats, and no matter how many people die on the Navy it doesn't matter because they messed with the Straw Hats? I realize the author's explanation would be "No one died on the Navy either" despite that fact that an entire ship of those guys got thrown into a whirlpool, or that hundreds of soldiers are caught in a Buster Call bombardment that 'left no survivors'.

PostPosted:Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:34 pm
by RentCavalier
Nobody dies in One Piece.

PostPosted:Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:34 pm
by Don
The first confirmed death that did not come during a flashback occured in the Celestial Dragon arc.

And OP's standard of 'death' is very low, roughly on the same order of Saint Seiya where a guy can self destruct into a milion pieces and come back 3 chapters later because it was only a 'flesh wound'. For example in OP you can have a country of a million people on a civil war and yet NO ONE died in the entire war. But even using this standard the number of deaths is still in the thousands (mostly from the Marines who are obviously not worth living). There's a guy who has every frame in OP where someone is mentioned as 'dead' and that number tallies up to the millions if any reasonable standard for 'dead' is applied.

PostPosted:Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:14 pm
by Eric
Pretty awesome chapter, wonder if there will bea time jump, or it'll pick up immediately from that point.

PostPosted:Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:22 am
by Don
A very uninspiring but safe way to end this arc.

Just like I thought the author doesn't really have the ability to continue from that point. This provides a much needed 'reset' so to speak, since the Straw Hats is way out of their league at the moment.

PostPosted:Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:34 pm
by RentCavalier
Don wrote:A very uninspiring but safe way to end this arc.

Just like I thought the author doesn't really have the ability to continue from that point. This provides a much needed 'reset' so to speak, since the Straw Hats is way out of their league at the moment.
Since I can't really read it, but I love One Piece, what happened?

PostPosted:Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:49 pm
by Don
Not sure if you need mean just this week or the week before, but last week, Straw Hats was *annihiliated* by Bear single handedly. Of course they're all about to die anyway fighting 2 Pacifist prototypes, an Admiral, and some really powerful new guy. Bear dropped by and used his vanishing ability on everyone in the Straw Hats. This week, Luffy lands after flying through the air for 3 weeks, and found himself in a new island inhabited by Amazons without any of his friends (so far). So basically he's probably going to find all his friends and I assume during this time the Straw Hats will cool down some and stop declaring war on the entire world everywhere they went.

PostPosted:Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:56 pm
by Eric
You forgot the part where they kept pulling on his penis because they had never seen a man before. :P

PostPosted:Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:44 pm
by Don
The whole mushroom stuff reminds me of something from Earthbound.