The Shrine

I know no one here talks about it but if any of you guys are fans, I think we're SOL. I just watched the last 4 episodes last night (up to #22) and they ended it by tying it into the Terminator mythology and storylines. It really felt like they knew they weren't coming back with about 4 or 5 eps left in the season and did their best to tie it in.

The show started out a bit slow but I really thought it picked up after about 6
episodes of season 1. It just started getting better and better and was kinda good at the end. I woulda liked to see what they coulda done with another season or two.

Probably the worst finale for a series that's about to be canceled can have.

Once I heard it probably wasn't canon any longer, I lost interest. I did enjoy it though.

Eric wrote:Probably the worst finale for a series that's about to be canceled can have.

I disagree. It ended completely. Ignoring the storyline of movie #3, the show has completely ended which ain't a bad thing if you're talking about something never coming back

Lox wrote:Once I heard it probably wasn't canon any longer, I lost interest. I did enjoy it though.

Canon or not, it's still pretty decent and fits well if you ignore film #3

It was obvious enough the show was getting killed when Fox moved it to Fridays... seriously WTF is it with Fox hating on Scifi shows? Terminator saved their ass last year when they didn't have 24, so as thanks they toss it on Fridays, where you put shows to DIE, and gives it an unflattering end? Fuck you fox, I really liked that show.

Dollhouse is probably not seeing another season I'd imagine either, right? Once the show got in its groove and Fox stopped airing shows out of sequence it got pretty good. I know it's got a few more episodes to go but with it being on Fridays too I doubt Fox ever bothered to give it a chance.

Apparently, one of the problems with this show was that it's main audience, 19-24 year olds, often watches on DVR or Hulu. These don't count in the Neilson ratings and neither does international where it was a bit popular as well.

Basically, they have to adapt the ratings system to account for new ways to watch shows and alter their revenues to take advantage of that as well

Yeah, even though I don't use Hulu right now, I might start. I would be pissed if they didn't give it space at LEAST equivalent to the Nielsens, which always struck me as having to have at least a little bit of selection bias even before the internet age. If we let the Nielsens determine what's going to be shown on television there will never be anything cool on again. We will be subjected to an eternity of "Everybody Loves Raymond" and I will have to repurpose the family TV into a doorstop.

Zeus wrote:

Eric wrote:Probably the worst finale for a series that's about to be canceled can have.

I disagree. It ended completely. Ignoring the storyline of movie #3, the show has completely ended which ain't a bad thing if you're talking about something never coming back

What are you talking about? They rewrote history, nobody ever heard of John Connor, Kyle Rease was the leader of the resistance, it does NOT tie into any of the Terminator mythos, did you actually watch the end of the episode? O_o

Yeah you can view it as "Lawl, he jumped to the future and became their leader! AWESOME" but the freakin mythos goes that John Connor formed the resistance and freed humans AFTER Judgement Day, clearly the future John jumped to there is already a resistance in action. Hell Kyle and Derek repeatedly said that the person who freed them was John Connor, now that's no longer the case.

It was a terrible finale.

Eric wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Eric wrote:Probably the worst finale for a series that's about to be canceled can have.

I disagree. It ended completely. Ignoring the storyline of movie #3, the show has completely ended which ain't a bad thing if you're talking about something never coming back

What are you talking about? They rewrote history, nobody ever heard of John Connor, Kyle Rease was the leader of the resistance, it does NOT tie into any of the Terminator mythos, did you actually watch the end of the episode? O_o

Yeah you can view it as "Lawl, he jumped to the future and became their leader! AWESOME" but the freakin mythos goes that John Connor formed the resistance and freed humans AFTER Judgement Day, clearly the future John jumped to there is already a resistance in action. Hell Kyle and Derek repeatedly said that the person who freed them was John Connor, now that's no longer the case.

It was a terrible finale.

Since Eric didn't seem to care...SPOILER ALERT

No man. The entire mythos was that John Conner was the leader of the resistance and was starting to make Skynet sweat. Hence the decision to send Ahnold back in the first. Nowhere, aside maybe from the comics but I never read them, did they ever say "the resistance didn't exist before Conner came around" just that what he had done had brought hope to mankind. He started freeing the human slaves and shit. But that doesn't mean there wasn't pockets of resistance before. Kyle could easily have been the leader of that particular pocket of resistance but there could have been even tons of slaves and it could very easily be John who bands humans altogether later for a unified resistance.

And watch the end of the ep again (I just did). There's no mention of a unified resistance. The only thing they allude to is that Kyle is well known and that there is some form of resistance based on the fact that there's uniforms and a pecking order. You're filling in the blanks there but there's no evidence in that ep to suggest any form of unified resistance. And if you're talking about Kyle and Derek mentioned that they freed him, who's to say that they weren't captured after the point when John jumped into the future which forced him to lead the resistance and take it further than it had ever been before and then freed them? (don't forget the flashbacks with Derek as a slave; maybe John saved him?)

The point I'm trying to make is, there's nothing in the ep that contradicts anything from the first 2 movies. You could just as easily jump to conclusions that make it fit perfect as you did with conclusions that do not fit at all. There was some stuff in the show I liked and think it fits well if you ignore film #3 (I like how Shirley Manson's character ended up being the liquid Terminator aboard the Jimmy Carter that was helping them). We'll see how movie #4 messes with it but there was a lot to like about the show after its very rough beginnings