The Shrine

Official title for the new movie

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment ... story.html

Also, Riddler is confirmed NOT to be in it

I like the name. I'm surprised about the Riddler considering how strong the rumors were.

Now I want to know the villains are!!!

Mr. Freeze! Please be Mr. Freeze! And make it closer to the Animated Series' version, not the "bat nipples" Ah-nuld version.

The rumors of the Riddler only reminded me that I haven't liked a Jim Carrey movie since 2001

Shrinweck wrote:The rumors of the Riddler only reminded me that I haven't liked a Jim Carrey movie since 2001

Agreed, except Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a "Jim Carrey movie".

SineSwiper wrote:Mr. Freeze! Please be Mr. Freeze! And make it closer to the Animated Series' version, not the "bat nipples" Ah-nuld version.

I thought that I read somewhere that Mr. Freeze was definitely out, too. I think that could have been awesome though.

Also, I'm picturing Patrick Stewart as Mr. Freeze in my head and he is awesome.

Yeah, Mr. Freeze is definitely out.

Shellie wrote:

Shrinweck wrote:The rumors of the Riddler only reminded me that I haven't liked a Jim Carrey movie since 2001

Agreed, except Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I wouldn't necessarily call that a "Jim Carrey movie".

I considered that but it was ruined for me by the fact that I had friends who thought it was the best fucking thing since sliced bread.

Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.

Well I'd prefer sliced bread existing compared to Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Slicing bread yourself gets crumbs everywhere.

Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.

Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......

Zeus wrote:

Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.

Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......

Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Mully wrote:Is sliced bread really THAT important of an "invention" that it the one thing to surpass over everything else.

Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......

Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.

But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.

Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.

Calzones, torpedos, taking about the core of the bread and stuffing it with something else.

Anyway, "sliced bread" means "pre-sliced bread". I don't think the person who coined the term was talking about never slicing the bread.

Let's hope the rule of 3 doesn't ruin this.

SineSwiper wrote:

Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.

Anyway, "sliced bread" means "pre-sliced bread". I don't think the person who coined the term was talking about never slicing the bread.

What? I've never taken it that way.

Lox wrote:

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote: Imagine if bread weren't sliced, how different would your life and the entire culinary world be.......

Yeah, god forbid we would be eating better sandwiches on good bread that is only sliced when you do it.

But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.

I believe the term refers to buying pre-sliced bread. That's the whole point, taking away the work of having to do it every time at every meal for basically every household, thus the greatness of the invention due to the pervasiveness of it.

Seriously, are we arguing the origins of the saying now? Fuck we've all known each other for too damned long :-)

Especially considering how badly we derailed this awesome topic.

Who would you guys like to see as a villain? I think Bane would be cool. I mean real Bane, not Batman Forever Bane. Super smart, super strong, just wanting to destroy Batman.

Shrinweck wrote:

SineSwiper wrote:

Lox wrote:But that bread is still sliced at some point. The question is what would life be like if there was no slicing??? I shudder to imagine.

Anyway, "sliced bread" means "pre-sliced bread". I don't think the person who coined the term was talking about never slicing the bread.

What? I've never taken it that way.

Thats what ive always taken it to mean. So, i guess i have to agree with Sine... *le sigh*

Who else is a well known Batman villain? Scarecrow? A new penguin????

Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.

Eric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.

My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without him

Zeus wrote:

Eric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.

My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without him

Blah, those choices suck. Was Ghul the villian in the first one?

Zeus wrote:

Eric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.

My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without him

Interestingly enough, I think a great Harley Quinn would have been Brittany Murphy.

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Eric wrote:Catwoman could enter the frey now that Rachael is dead, not as the main villain but on the side, two face like.

My top picks for villain are Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin. I would say Harley Quinn but he ain't gonna revive the Joker and she's a nothing character without him

Blah, those choices suck. Was Ghul the villian in the first one?

Rah's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) was the villain in the first. It would make sense in the world Nolan created to have his daughter come into the equation

Catwoman will most certainly be in it in some way, even if it's just mentioning Selina Kyle in passing. As choices of the actual villain? Penguin COULD fit with some changes

Zeus wrote:Catwoman will most certainly be in it in some way, even if it's just mentioning Selina Kyle in passing. As choices of the actual villain? Penguin COULD fit with some changes

I don't think any changes would be needed for Penguin. At most, they'd need to tone down a couple couple-booky things. He's basically a violent, money-hungry, bird-loving mobster with a long nose. Heck, they could even fuse his fingers together since that shows up in various forms in the comics. It's a realistic take on his "flipper hands". If they tone down the umbrella contraptions a bit and keep them realistic, I think he'd work nicely.

I still hate the Penguin as a villian. I've never seen it done tackfully. Catwoman also sucks.

Here's a list of villains that should be in Nolan's Batman, with stars on the ones that have already appeared:

* Joker
* Scarecrow
* Ra's al Ghul
* Two-Face
Mr. Freeze
Clayface (yes!)
Poison Ivy (maybe, if done right)
The Riddler (again, if done right)
Bane (maybe)
Mr. Zsasz (maybe as a lesser villian)

Zsasz can't be a full-time villain, more of a glorified lackey. Same with Bane. If you introduce a third party, they have to be more in the middle, neither good nor bad or both. Kinda like Two Face was in the last one. That's where Catwoman comes in and why she would fit perfectly, particularly with Rachel gone as the main love interest.

Riddler's confirmed out, no sense in talking about him.

Poison Ivy's intriguing, but I'm not so sure how she'd fit into Nolan's Batman. Same with Mr. Freeze. For both, they'd have to overcome Schumaker's shit which might not be possible. At least Catwoman was in a Burton flick, she ain't damaged goods like the others. That's why Talia Al Ghul is perfect. She can be both the villain, tie to the original, AND create a love triangle for Bruce Wayne.

Personally, I'd prefer the Riddler, he'd be perfect. But I'd put my money on Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul, and Penguin and maybe a pinch of Zsasz and/or Bane, but I don't think Nolan wants to go all hog-wild and waste villains for no reason (even if they are one-note ones). All three could easily fit into a movie together and mesh together and some can even carry on to sequels.

Why can't Bane be a main villain? I hope you're not basing the character off of how he was used in Batman & Robin as we all know that was a crapfest. He was a major enemy to Batman mentally and physically and was the one who broke Batman's back.

Zeus wrote:Poison Ivy's intriguing, but I'm not so sure how she'd fit into Nolan's Batman. Same with Mr. Freeze. For both, they'd have to overcome Schumaker's shit which might not be possible. At least Catwoman was in a Burton flick, she ain't damaged goods like the others. That's why Talia Al Ghul is perfect. She can be both the villain, tie to the original, AND create a love triangle for Bruce Wayne.

I don't think Nolan is into love triangles, or at least the kind you're thinking of for this movie. (Yes, I know about The Prestige, but that was more serious and pivotal to the plot.)

And Catwoman is already damaged goods BECAUSE of the Burton flick. Her costume was horrible, and she was (over)played by Michelle Pfeiffer. Every time I think back to the Burton flicks and compared them to the Nolan flicks, I think about how horribly aged the Burton ones are. I can't believe people liked these movies. Hell, Val Kilmer made a better Batman, even if he was in a Shitmaker film.

Besides, I more associate with the Animated Series and video games than the movies. Mr. Freeze in the B:AS was awesome. Clayface in the B:AS was awesome. (Can you imagine all of the shapeshifting special effects the AS used in a movie?) I think part of it had to do with good voice acting, but having a good back story really helps, too.

Adults used to watch this stuff because it was so good. I remember my dad and I both keeping track of this series every time it came on.

If Nolan can redefine the Joker so wonderfully when everyone thought that Nicholson was THE iconic, the one and only, Joker, then he can redefine Catwoman, too. People won't even remember Michele Pheiffer if Nolan tackles Catwoman. Same for Penguin and Two Face and Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy and Bane and the Riddler.

Poison Ivy would be pretty cool if they focused on the science of how her pheromones could be used to manipulate people. They probably couldn't use the plant-mind-control thing to the extent that the comics and TAS did though.

Lox wrote:Why can't Bane be a main villain? I hope you're not basing the character off of how he was used in Batman & Robin as we all know that was a crapfest. He was a major enemy to Batman mentally and physically and was the one who broke Batman's back.

I admit I only know Bane from the game, that shitty movie, and the cartoon series'. With that background, I can't imagine him being a main character. Maybe a brute with a bit of a backstory, and he can hang around for a few flicks, but the main guy? I don't see it. But I do admit there may be a little bit of ignorance on my part

SineSwiper wrote:

Zeus wrote:Poison Ivy's intriguing, but I'm not so sure how she'd fit into Nolan's Batman. Same with Mr. Freeze. For both, they'd have to overcome Schumaker's shit which might not be possible. At least Catwoman was in a Burton flick, she ain't damaged goods like the others. That's why Talia Al Ghul is perfect. She can be both the villain, tie to the original, AND create a love triangle for Bruce Wayne.

I don't think Nolan is into love triangles, or at least the kind you're thinking of for this movie. (Yes, I know about The Prestige, but that was more serious and pivotal to the plot.)

And Catwoman is already damaged goods BECAUSE of the Burton flick. Her costume was horrible, and she was (over)played by Michelle Pfeiffer. Every time I think back to the Burton flicks and compared them to the Nolan flicks, I think about how horribly aged the Burton ones are. I can't believe people liked these movies. Hell, Val Kilmer made a better Batman, even if he was in a Shitmaker film.

Besides, I more associate with the Animated Series and video games than the movies. Mr. Freeze in the B:AS was awesome. Clayface in the B:AS was awesome. (Can you imagine all of the shapeshifting special effects the AS used in a movie?) I think part of it had to do with good voice acting, but having a good back story really helps, too.

Adults used to watch this stuff because it was so good. I remember my dad and I both keeping track of this series every time it came on.

The Burton films are excellent, even now. They're a far different style from the last decade of superhero flicks, but they're still great films nonetheless. And it's not like I haven't seen them in a decade. I've seen both within the last year, they've held up quite well.

Catwoman would not be damaged from the Burton flicks at all. You may not like Batman Returns, but most do. And Pfieffer even got a veiled Oscar nom for that role (there was some shitty drama she released that year that no one saw so she got it for that instead; but everyone knew it was for Batman) so she got some cred even with the artsy fartsy crowd. Most have forgotten Hally Barry even did that flick (but MAN did she look hot in that movie) so the character's fine.

And she would fit absolutely perfectly into Nolan's world and even satisfy WB's undoubted desire to a) add some serious sexiness to the movie (don't doubt for a sec that the girl playing the role won't be shown off a lot and relatively pretty) and b) create some level of a love story that's now missing with Rachel dead. Don't forget, there was a love triangle in Dark Knight and don't think for a second that with a movie of that size and reach the exec won't force Nolan into some formulaic elements or shit they want to see (Sony did with Raimi and Spiderman 3 even after each of the first two made nearly a billion worldwide). She won't even need that much refining from the Burton flicks to be in Nolan's world (yes, parts of the look and some of the fantastical backstory stuff, but he basic look and basis of the background story are fine) and again, unlike all the Shitmaker enemies, she ain't damaged good at all.

I would honestly be surprised if Catwoman isn't in the flick, she fits too perfectly. But then again, Nolan isn't necessarily gonna give you want you want which is why we all like him so much.

Wikipedia about Bane wrote:Bane was born in the fictional Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca, in a prison called Peña Duro ("Hard Rock"). His father had been a revolutionary and had escaped Santa Prisca's court system. The corrupt government however decreed that his young son would serve out the man's life sentence, and thus Bane's childhood and early adult life are spent in the amoral penitentiary environment. Though imprisoned, his natural abilities allow him to develop extraordinary skills within the prison's walls. He reads as many books as he can get his hands on, builds up his body in the prison's gym, and learns to fight in the merciless school of prison life. Despite his circumstances, he finds teachers of various sorts during his incarceration, ranging from hardened convicts to an elderly Jesuit priest, under whose tutelage he apparently receives a classical education. Bane murders this priest upon his return to Santa Prisca years later. However, he commits his first murder at the age of eight, stabbing a criminal who wanted to use him to gain information about the prison. During his years in prison, Bane carries a teddy bear he calls Osito (Spanish for "little bear"), whom he considers his only friend. It is revealed that Osito has a hole in his back to hold a knife that Bane uses against anyone who bullies him.
Bane ultimately establishes himself as the "king" of Peña Duro prison. The prison's controllers take note and eventually force him to become a test subject for a mysterious drug known as Venom, which had killed all other subjects. It nearly kills him at first, but he survives and finds the drug vastly increases his physical strength, although he needs to take it every 12 hours (via a system of tubes pumped directly into his brain) or he would suffer debilitating side-effects

After he escapes from prison, he makes it his goal to defeat Batman, who he's heard a lot about, and weakens him slowly by freeing Arkham inmates. He basically wears Batman to the point of mental and physical exhaustion and then snaps his back in the Batcave. He's smart, strong, and deadly.

Lox wrote:

Wikipedia about Bane wrote:Bane was born in the fictional Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca, in a prison called Peña Duro ("Hard Rock"). His father had been a revolutionary and had escaped Santa Prisca's court system. The corrupt government however decreed that his young son would serve out the man's life sentence, and thus Bane's childhood and early adult life are spent in the amoral penitentiary environment. Though imprisoned, his natural abilities allow him to develop extraordinary skills within the prison's walls. He reads as many books as he can get his hands on, builds up his body in the prison's gym, and learns to fight in the merciless school of prison life. Despite his circumstances, he finds teachers of various sorts during his incarceration, ranging from hardened convicts to an elderly Jesuit priest, under whose tutelage he apparently receives a classical education. Bane murders this priest upon his return to Santa Prisca years later. However, he commits his first murder at the age of eight, stabbing a criminal who wanted to use him to gain information about the prison. During his years in prison, Bane carries a teddy bear he calls Osito (Spanish for "little bear"), whom he considers his only friend. It is revealed that Osito has a hole in his back to hold a knife that Bane uses against anyone who bullies him.
Bane ultimately establishes himself as the "king" of Peña Duro prison. The prison's controllers take note and eventually force him to become a test subject for a mysterious drug known as Venom, which had killed all other subjects. It nearly kills him at first, but he survives and finds the drug vastly increases his physical strength, although he needs to take it every 12 hours (via a system of tubes pumped directly into his brain) or he would suffer debilitating side-effects

After he escapes from prison, he makes it his goal to defeat Batman, who he's heard a lot about, and weakens him slowly by freeing Arkham inmates. He basically wears Batman to the point of mental and physical exhaustion and then snaps his back in the Batcave. He's smart, strong, and deadly.

Everything sounds like it would be pretty neat and a good fit into the Nolan universe....except for the reaction to Venom. I really don't think Nolan wants to get all biological and fantastical on us in a gritty, realistic superhero series.

BUUUUT, making Bane a decent-sized supporting character who's a big tough-guy who runs a prison from the inside (in Gotham instead of the Caribbean) but is also a brilliant tactician (essentially a good counterpoint to Batman who SHOULD hopefully become the brilliant tactician himself soon) who spans across multiple films.....I can see that. And it would work pretty well, too

Nolan took Ghul's character and made him from immortal to parlor trick (it's just a name carried on by different men), the Scarecrow (which I particuallry didn't like his story, but..) could medically chemically happen, the Joker is just a mad man. So Nolan wants his movies to be basically real life. I don't believe he would go for the above theories like:

Penquin - the above specualtaion could happen, just a gangster with a big nose, but then he would just be that guy that... a ganster with a big nose without his umbrellas...boring. Kind of like that guy from Batman Begins that ate at the resturant, the one Katie Holmes wanted to prosecute. Just a gangster, like Nolan's Joker, but without madness.

Poison Ivy could work with her chemical/pharamones, but she would be just Scarecrow again...with tits. I think theatrically ruined by Schumacher, Schwarts and co.

Mr. Freeze. ---- WAAAY TO MANY FREEZING PUNS to be took seriously ever again, also thanks to Schumacher, Schwarts and co...especially Schwarts.

Bane - really? Too comic book-y for Nolan. Has to have "venom" injections to the brain every so often? That couldn't be further from the real world.

What does Tom Hardy and filming in New Orleans mean? Any villians from there? Tom Hardy could be a villian.

**** The next wrinkle in the story came in the form of "Wanted" and "Kick Ass" creator Mark Millar. The writer recently dropped two tweets which he indicated were gossip he'd heard at a convention - "I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale... One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." ****

*Sorry for so many grammar mistakes a mispellings. Up really late and sick.

Mully wrote:**** The next wrinkle in the story came in the form of "Wanted" and "Kick Ass" creator Mark Millar. The writer recently dropped two tweets which he indicated were gossip he'd heard at a convention - "I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale... One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." ****

Well, this is coming from the guy who created "Wanted" about people who could BEND BULLETS by flinging their guns around. Sharp contrast to the realism conversation above that.

Mully wrote:Nolan took Ghul's character and made him from immortal to parlor trick (it's just a name carried on by different men), the Scarecrow (which I particuallry didn't like his story, but..) could medically chemically happen, the Joker is just a mad man. So Nolan wants his movies to be basically real life. I don't believe he would go for the above theories like:

Penquin - the above specualtaion could happen, just a gangster with a big nose, but then he would just be that guy that... a ganster with a big nose without his umbrellas...boring. Kind of like that guy from Batman Begins that ate at the resturant, the one Katie Holmes wanted to prosecute. Just a gangster, like Nolan's Joker, but without madness.

Poison Ivy could work with her chemical/pharamones, but she would be just Scarecrow again...with tits. I think theatrically ruined by Schumacher, Schwarts and co.

Mr. Freeze. ---- WAAAY TO MANY FREEZING PUNS to be took seriously ever again, also thanks to Schumacher, Schwarts and co...especially Schwarts.

Bane - really? Too comic book-y for Nolan. Has to have "venom" injections to the brain every so often? That couldn't be further from the real world.

What does Tom Hardy and filming in New Orleans mean? Any villians from there? Tom Hardy could be a villian.

**** The next wrinkle in the story came in the form of "Wanted" and "Kick Ass" creator Mark Millar. The writer recently dropped two tweets which he indicated were gossip he'd heard at a convention - "I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale... One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected." ****

*Sorry for so many grammar mistakes a mispellings. Up really late and sick.

Well, for Penguin, he could still have some kind of umbrella contraptions. A blade would work really well. Even a gun of some kind would work. It'd add to the eccentricity of the character. Add that to his love of birds, his penguin-like appearance, his obsession with money and nice things, and his ruthless mobster nature and he'd be a cool enemy.

I'll say it again...I don't think ANY of the characters were ruined by the previous movies. Yes, they were ruined in those movies, but that's a terrible reason to not use them now. If Nolan could outdo Nicholson's Joker so wonderfully and could fix Two Face, then he can do that with any of the characters, imo.

Mr. Freeze could work realistically if he was a scientist with a medical condition that forced him into sub-zero temperatures. Perhaps his weapon could be some kind of chemical that freezes. He could still wear a Mr. Freeze-esque body suit to protect him when he's out in public.

Bane - I don't see how needing injections every so often isn't realistic. What about a heroine addict who needs his fix or he goes into withdrawal? Spin it the same. Have him be a large, ripped guy. Tone down the over-the-top musculature from the comics, but have him require the Venom drug almost like an addiction. Who says it needs to go into his brain in the movie? Maybe it's an injection into his leg or arm every few hours or something otherwise he starts losing the ability to walk or stand or whatever.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that everyone needs to stop thinking so inside the box. There are ways to make most of these characters work if you think about it.

Also, just thought of another cool character: Scar Face and the Ventriloquist.

South Park has been on the ball with their episodes lately. The one on Wed was titled Mysterion Rises and they even had a bit that parodied that new stupid Labron James Nike commercial. Good stuff.

Lox wrote:Basically, what I'm getting at is that everyone needs to stop thinking so inside the box. There are ways to make most of these characters work if you think about it.

Also, just thought of another cool character: Scar Face and the Ventriloquist.

We have been thinking outside the box....of non-comic-y characters like in Nolan's previous films. That's been the entire basis for my arguments against Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze (well, that and they were Shitmaker villains) and initially against Bane as well, hence my insistence they remove Venom from his storyline.

Penguin would be pretty logical and can easily be changed to fit into Nolan's world, just like Catwoman. That would not only be logical (now that Gotham's crimelords have all been killed by the Joker, wouldn't Penguin fill the void nicely?) and Catwoman needs some minor changes (ie. eliminate the comic-y-ness) from the Burton flicks and she fits fine as a fledgling villain and love interest for Wayne.

I don't know much about Scarface and The Ventriloquist so I can't say anything. But based on Mully's quote, I may go and look at the character bios from Arkham Asylum. If it's going to be an old-school character, they'll likely have a bio there.

Lox wrote:Mr. Freeze could work realistically if he was a scientist with a medical condition that forced him into sub-zero temperatures. Perhaps his weapon could be some kind of chemical that freezes. He could still wear a Mr. Freeze-esque body suit to protect him when he's out in public.

Hell, the backstory that B:AS could still work: a chemical accident with a special chemical caused his skin to permanently require subzero temperatures.

Deadshot would be an awesome villan...I can see him fitting in this style of film easily. Hard to picture him as a main villian though, more like a sub villian for whoever him.

Really, beyond Deadshot and maybe Zsasz, is there anyone left in the batman universe who isn't totally wacky (or already used from the old films)?

Superman as the villian...ah, wishful thinking.

Well if the mob is involved again, you might see Black Mask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_%28comics%29

Joker was 100% planned for the sequel, but obviously with Heath's death that might be off the table unless some well known actor comes in and wants the role and is deadly serious about it, but that made me think of Hugo Strange, though I don't know if you could build an entire movie around him.

Hush is also a great villain if you want something more personal, while still keeping things down to earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comics%29

kali o. wrote:Superman as the villian...ah, wishful thinking.

Didn't Nolan (he's producing Superman) actually rule out any cross-over between the two? You would think with the popularity of the cross-overs over the last decade might make them at least hint at it. I know I'd love to see it

Wasn't there a straight to dvd on that?

Mully wrote:Wasn't there a straight to dvd on that?

Animated only