The Shrine

http://www.movies.com/movie-reviews/aft ... ite/m68386

Well, maybe, just a small part of the reason. (Look at the comments below.)

I read all the comments and I totally missed whatever it is you saw.

I think the one sane black guy summarized the situation pretty well:

Its not surprising that blacks climb up inside will smiths butt crack and attack those just stating obvious truths, I've noticed that African Americans thought crap like Monique like Phat Girlz was good, great, top notch, (there's no accounting for ghetto taste) which was garbage also, not saying Smiths latest is but its very close saw it tonight and it sux badly.. I don't care about hate or hating that's not the point.. if its bad its bad, if you like crap no one can make you smell roses.. you're use to smelling crap. either way this movie was a yawner and boring and shows a lack of talent and writing skills.

Ah the post by the black guy with 0 black friends on facebook? That one?

Uh, fairly sure people liking or disliking a Will Smith movie of all things has little to do with racism or racial bias. You're reading WAY too much into it.

Movies like Phat Girlz and Soul Plane are an embarrassment, but movies like that are the barrier alot of black entertainers have to go through to break into film and find any sort of success. Mo'nique proved she can act in Precious. Jamie Foxx of course has Ray/Dreamgirls/Ali, etc. I'm sure there's a demographic of black people that might like those hood/ghetto ass movies but a great deal of us don't and are embarrassed by a good majority of them, it's just tolerated.

I would certainly never defend Phat Girlz or call After Earth good.

If you go out looking for racism you're going to find it, obviously this country still has racial issues, but if you're seeing racism in the movie review section of generic ass movies.com I think you're a little jaded to be perfectly honest and probably need to step back, perception and all that jazz.

Eric wrote:Ah the post by the black guy with 0 black friends on facebook? That one?

That actually makes it even worse.

Eric wrote:Uh, fairly sure people liking or disliking a Will Smith movie of all things has little to do with racism or racial bias. You're reading WAY too much into it.

I fear it's a perception issue. All of these black folks are rushing to defend Will Smith in a movie that is clearly terrible. It's as if these guys feel that they have to defend Will because he's black. It's a form of racism in and of itself.

Eric wrote:Movies like Phat Girlz and Soul Plane are an embarrassment, but movies like that are the barrier alot of black entertainers have to go through to break into film and find any sort of success.

Yeah, sorry, but this isn't Will Smith's first movie. Will Smith has no barriers in the film industry. In fact, this movie may actually damage his reputation and install barriers against him and his son, because he remains convinced that his son can act, and tried to prove it by putting out this horrible movie. Will and Jada are the world's worst helicopter parents.

Hell, his son has no barriers in the film industry, either. A no-name actor starring in Karate Kid. Sure, no problem. He's the son of Will Smith. Nevermind that the kid puts in no effort and is a terrible actor to begin with.

Eric wrote:I would certainly never defend Phat Girlz or call After Earth good.

Unfortunately, if these comments are any indication, you're in the minority, at least among black movie goers.

Eric wrote:If you go out looking for racism you're going to find it, obviously this country still has racial issues, but if you're seeing racism in the movie review section of generic ass movies.com I think you're a little jaded to be perfectly honest and probably need to step back, perception and all that jazz.

It just seems like a small snapshot into the problems that cause racism. Why is there such a racial division in a simple movie review? I certainly don't give a shit if Will Smith is black or white. It's a terrible movie either way.

Also, Dave White is an excellent reviewer. I don't care if he's on movies.com.

That actually makes it even worse.

Yes, he's jaded, of course he's going to make that correlation, the same as you're doing right now. -_-

I fear it's a perception issue. All of these black folks are rushing to defend Will Smith in a movie that is clearly terrible. It's as if these guys feel that they have to defend Will because he's black. It's a form of racism in and of itself.

"All these black folks" There's 39 comments on a random corner of the internet of those 39 comments *I* also see white people who like it, and a black people who don't.

Vincent Rawlinson, black, didn't like it, kids loved it.

James Oliver, white guy, didn't love it, but enjoyed it.

Oh here's some reviews from white people on rotten tomatoes

"We saw it and thought that the suspense was tremendous. The main characters were believable and engaging (we were actually pleasantly surprised, has some reservations from the trailer)."

"Haters gotta hate! Det hjalp nok at jeg gik ind med absolut INGEN forventninger, efter de utallige hug, den har fået... men de blev så rigeligt indfriet, og lidt til. Glem alt om paranoide Scientology-anklager (for sløje religiøse analogier, se Man of Steel), og nyd et solidt sci-fi eventyr - det gjorde jeg. Shyamalan er stadig ingen mester i dialog, og Smith Sr. er næppe set mindre charmerende på film, men derfor formår den simple historie (helten skal fra A til B, inden tiden løber ud) alligevel at fænge, og levere spænding, gys og såmænd også lidt til hjertet undervejs. Jeg var overrasket, på den gode måde." I don't know what language this is, but he's not black.

" I liked this movie, and my rating is 8/10, but I admit I am a huge Will Smith fan. I had fun watching it, and I was able to escape into the movie. I liked the fact he used his real son in the movie. I thought Jaden did an ok job. I liked the story line of the movie, and I thought they did a good job building up the monster Jaden fought at the end of the movie. This movie is not complex, it is a very simple straight forward storyline, with lots of action. There were a few themes that I did like in the movie worth mentioning: control your fear and recognize the difference between fear and danger, recognize your power, realize the moment, and of course the sappy idea of a father teaching his son how to survive in a dangerous world. I would probably give this a different rating without Will Smith, but I can't because he is in it. "

People don't defend Will Smith because he's black, they defend Will Smith because he's Will Smith and he's likable. If you're seeing race lines drawn, it's because you're looking for them, and Sine no offense, but you bring up racism and reverse racism way too often.

Yeah, sorry, but this isn't Will Smith's first movie. Will Smith has no barriers in the film industry. In fact, this movie may actually damage his reputation and install barriers against him and his son, because he remains convinced that his son can act, and tried to prove it by putting out this horrible movie. Will and Jada are the world's worst helicopter parents.

Hell, his son has no barriers in the film industry, either. A no-name actor starring in Karate Kid. Sure, no problem. He's the son of Will Smith. Nevermind that the kid puts in no effort and is a terrible actor to begin with.

Not ALL black actors go through that barrier, but alot do, yes Will Smith is an exception, and no shit Jaden is too, he's Will Smith's kid, who's shocked by this? I suppose Keifer Sutherland, Emilio Estevez, and Charlie Sheen are all oscar worthy actors who deserve to be in the industry due to strong acting and it has nothing to do with their lineage. Most of the people black or white defending this movie are doing so because they like Will Smith. This has nothing to do with race.

Unfortunately, if these comments are any indication, you're in the minority, at least among black movie goers.

Are you fucking kidding me. 1) Small section of comments. 2) You're generalizing all African Americans with a small section of comments. 3) Most of the money this movie made was in Overseas markets, it made $60 million here, and $180 million overseas, clearly it was the black critics and black movement that invigorated people to go see it in foreign markets....no wait, they went and saw it because it's WILL SMITH.

It just seems like a small snapshot into the problems that cause racism.

You're seeing racism because you want to see racism.

While we're on the subject, I will never understand why Tyler Perry does so well. Then again Christians run out to support Kirk Cameron and his terrible movies.

Anarky wrote:While we're on the subject, I will never understand why Tyler Perry does so well. Then again Christians run out to support Kirk Cameron and his terrible movies.

Kirk Cameron has movies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireproof_(film)

Fireproof's advance sales accounted for 40% of all Fandango sales the week before the film opened.[19] It was released on September 26, 2008 in 839 theaters[20] and grossed $6,836,036 in its opening weekend, placing at #4.[21] During its run, Fireproof had a domestic gross of $33,456,317,[22] more than triple the lifetime earnings of its predecessor, Facing the Giants, and moving it into the top 6 grossing Christian films of all time.[23] It was the highest grossing independent film of 2008.[6]

WTF? I've never even heard of this movie. Or the other one. The "Top 6 grossing Christian films" isn't much of a category, but making that much money on an independent film is something.

He starred in that Left Behind series of movies based on the uber popular Christian books. Since then, he has been the Christian golden child.