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"While critics gave Hour 2 mixed reviews, moviegoers have showered it with grade-A reviews, according to CinemaScore, an online ticketing service."

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:27 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Duh.....when it comes to comedy, critics are almost always wrong. They hate Adam Sandler flicks, yet the movie goers are all over it. Rush Hour 2 got mixed reviews from critics? Heh....think about it. These of critics prefer artsy-fartsy films. You think their stiff upper lips would crack a smile at comedies like this? Heh...come on.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:02 pm
by Imakeholesinu
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Not to mention the femme fatals.....</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 4:23 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>This populist notion that film critics are all wheezy practitioners of "artsy-fartsy elitism" is a knee-jerk response to any perceived assault on one's own tastes, and complete crap.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 5:25 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Yeah....the critics are right on about their reviews. Don't go see Rush Hour 2! DON'T! NOT WITHOUT THE CRITICS BLESSINGS! *chuckles at Stephen S*</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 5:47 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I agree with that to a certain extent, but I still don't put much weight in what critics say. They watch movies for a LIVING. There's little question they're jaded.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 6:03 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 10pt "Arial bold"; text-align: left; '>A movie doesn't have to be good to be enjoyable, but the critics simply cannot give a poorly made film a good review by their nature. There are lots of mindless films that are not particularly well made</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 6:04 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 10pt "Arial bold"; text-align: left; '>When was the last time you heard any "respectable" critic say "this is not a well-made film, but it's just so much fun, you have to go see it"?</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 6:09 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 10pt "Arial bold"; text-align: left; '>.......but are very, very enjoyable</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 8:16 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>When a critic gives a review of a movie that worse than what I thought of the previews, I think I have the right to call him a fucking idiot.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 8:52 pm
by Blotus
<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Case in point: Planet of the Apes remake (although for that one I'd cut out the "very, very" and say its just enjoyable).</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 8:56 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/l ... html">Tomb Raider</a>

No respectable critic would use such contradictory wording (an incompetent movie is hardly ever "fun"), but I can see your gist, and I can give you an example. Read this review of Tomb Raider by Roger Ebert and tell me what you think.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 8:59 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I never said people shouldn't go and see Rush Hour 2 because of what some critics said, and you know it. Don't put nonsense into my mouth.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:06 pm
by Lee S.
<div style='font: 9pt arial; text-align: justify; '>"Lara Croft is a major babe with a great set of ears." Oh, Ebert, you cornball, you.</div>

I don't even know what it is you're trying to say. Is it that critics who give bad reviews of movies with great previews (trailers?) are automatically idiots?

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:06 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>If so, that's a pretty stupid statement. There have been plenty of awful movies that had great trailers.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:10 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>See? This proves professional critics can make asses of themselves as readily as any average moviegoer.</div>

Well, think of it this way...

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:12 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Let's say that a trailer scores X points in the comedy scale. That means that when I walk into a theatre, I know that it has at least X points. If a reviewer rates a movie with less than X points for the ENTIRE MOVIE, then I know that the comedy part of the movie was just fucking lost to him.

Now, stories are different, but with comedy, you basically have X amount of jokes. Besides, I loved the cameos with the original Rush Hour, when I saw the previews.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:16 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I haven't seen it, but I've haven't really heard on -why- it's bad. Anybody?</div>

In no way was I implying that everyone should consult their local newspaper critics before seeing a movie. Or that they're dumb if they don't.

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:20 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>As for myself, I do consult a few movie critics, but I almost never decide not to see a movie simply because they didn't like it. I form my own opinions.</div>

That really doesn't work.

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:29 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>The worst movies can have the best trailers; if a trailer has a really funny scene (forget that they might splice it to actually be different than it is), often you'll see it over and over, dulling how funny it is when you finally see it, and then those two minutes might be the best parts of a 90 minute comedy.

Trailers are essentialy music videos with all the most exciting/funny/dramatic scenes from the movie as a backdrop. Trying to judge the quality of a movie by them is like trying to judge the quality of a book by it's blurb on the back.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:37 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php3?d ... 1-06-20</a>

Here,</div>

PostPosted:Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:37 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php3?d ... 1-06-25</a>

And here. (Hey, if you're going to read a "review," it might as well be enjoyable.)</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 12:18 am
by Crono
<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Yah, exactly. It's the kinda movie that you KNOW will leave you in stitches, especially if you're one of the many millions who saw the first one (and liked it).</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 8:04 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>True, but at least that movie scores X points still.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 10:14 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>No. I wasn't quoting you. I was just pointing out that you seem to put more weight into what movie critics say than the movie goers.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 10:22 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Not at all, like I said, I've seen many movies that were worse than the trailer.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 1:35 pm
by Tessian
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>only if you make a point not to think about it AT ALL once you leave the theatre</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 3:31 pm
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>Missed the point. He's saying critics just get written off as spoilsports today regardless of what movies they're rejecting. It's almost a reflex by 'the (ubiquitous) public'.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 5:36 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>I wonder what led people to that path.....hmmmm.....consistency on being off target perhaps? How many times have you heard your friends say "I don't listen to the critics"? Plenty, I'm sure. I got the point alright.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 10:52 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You're painting all critics with the same brush. I'll use Rush Hour 2 as an example; it got MIXED reviews. That means some critics liked it, and others didn't. Critics, like any members of a profession, are of different minds and opinions. And still you keep lumping them all under "elitist snobs."</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 11:28 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Now we're getting PC. Screw the critics, mmmkay? Sheesh....talk about elitist snobs. Gettin' PC wit me. hmph!</div>

PostPosted:Tue Aug 07, 2001 11:54 pm
by Tessian
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Saw it today,, Great movie! The best I've seen all summer.. the last out take was the best :)</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 12:04 am
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Jesus Christ, G-Man. You don't even know what PC really means, do you? Why don't you consult a dictionary, and then tell me if my refusal to stereotype an entire profession is considered "PC." Mmmkay?</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 2:59 am
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>My Ownage-o-meter is off the scale! Zounds!</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 9:37 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>You righteous little PC person you. "Stephen S - defender of the race of movie critics!" if this was a movie, I'm sure it would get mixed reviews too.</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:38 am
by Blotus
<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Dork!</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 12:55 pm
by Stephen S.
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>It's over, G-Man. You've lost.</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 1:10 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>*snicker* Okay, Ebert.</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 2:49 pm
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>Wait, what's this? The Fag-o-meter is off the scale as well!</div>

PostPosted:Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:44 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Well, you're the closest person to it.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:27 am
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>...And it went off right after BL replied. Jeez, Sine, lay off the "PLURing", I think you're becoming retarded for real.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:31 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Doesn't matter. The Fag-o-meter doesn't work at far distances. Instead, it just picks up the closest fag in its range.</div>

GOOD FUCKING GRAVY, SINE. Hence, BL just popping up and adding a comment. There's a little song by Big Sugar called 'Digging a hole'...You're light years ahead.

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:21 am
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>Oh, by the way, Black Lotus' rating is now being easily eclipsed from a target in <b>your</b> direction. I wonder if you guess who it is.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:57 am
by Ganath
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Here, let me spell out what Sine's saying. "S-C-O-D-Y I-S A F-A-G", make more sense now? :)</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 5:43 am
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>No shit, Helping Wonder Pup! Sine's inability to understand the principles of a simple gag like the 'Fag-o-meter' and temporal placement is the real allstar here. You're not that dumb, are you?</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 7:48 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I'm sorry if you're too stupid to see a counterattack when it comes to you.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:07 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt Verdana, Tahoma; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>God, I love the internet.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:29 pm
by S.Cody2
<div style='font: 14pt Plakatbau; text-align: left; '>I eagerly concur!</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:44 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>I conquer!</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:19 pm
by Torgo
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Why stop now? Let's see how far can this thread go.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:21 pm
by Torgo
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>"...thread can go..."</div>