The Shrine

PostPosted:**Sat Feb 09, 2002 9:39 pm**

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/rollerba ... ll.html</a>

From Mr Cranky's review of "Rollerball": "Chris Klein is like Keanu Reeves without any talent. There. I've said it. Frankly, I have a hard time even comprehending that sentence and its terrible implications" Ouch.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:57 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You're implying Keanu Reeves has talent. He's a 2D character in every movie he's been in. He relies on the supporting cast and the plot/action to get him through every movie</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:05 am**

<div style='font: 12pt Draconwick; text-align: left; '>Isn't that what good acting does? Use all the elements you are given?</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:03 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You could also imply that Chris Klein has less talent than an acknowledged shitty actor, which is quite an insult. Well, maybe not to Keanu...</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:09 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Of course, but you missed the operative word in my post: "relies". Gary Oldman NEVER "relies" on the other actors or scripts, he's the one others rely on. Same with Robert De Niro or Al Pacino. That's what you call a good actor.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 12:10 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, you COULD imply that. Then you look at the person who posted it and realize this particular hypothesis is ridiculous considering the source. Therefore, it must be the alternative</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:48 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Nah, Torgo's right.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 3:17 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt "Times New Roman"; text-align: left; '>I love this serious overanalyzation of such a bluntly obvious jab. Stay awake, kids!</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:33 pm**

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Trust me, dude. This was NOT a compliment to either party involved...far from it. Did you read the review?</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:55 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah. He implied Keanu has SOME talent.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:07 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>It was a joke. Roll with the punches here.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:02 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Using the Zeus Rule of Opposite Movie Opinions, that means that Keanu Reeves is an excellent and underappeciated actor, much like Kevin Spacey before AB. Hey, that's exactly what I was thinking!</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:05 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Gary Oldman? Isn't he the actor that typecasts himself to play only villians? That's nice, because I never want to be surprised when I see who the villian is. I'm sure Gary Oldman plays a lovely villian, doesn't he?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:15 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I suppose Patrick Steward is a bad actor, too, right?</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:40 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>He also played as Beethoven.</div>

PostPosted:**Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:52 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Must be. I've never heard of him</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:03 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>? You mean Patrick Stewart? The guy who played Picard?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:05 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He plays a lot of villians, yes, but he's the exact opposite of a typecast actor. I've seen him in around 7 films and he's never even similar from one role to the next. The reason he picks villians often is because they're a helluva lot more interesting than protaganists, for the most part.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:08 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I know, but look at all the posts that came from a simple little comment. This place needs some life, so you gotta search for things to talk about. We were actually able to have a small discussion on acting out of nothing because of that comment....</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:10 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You think Keanu is an excellent and underappreciated actor? I'll give you the fact he's been in some great movies, but an excellent actor that does not make him. Anyone else agree with Sine?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:27 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>And such great movies like Masterminds and Gunmen. Really, the only thing going for him is ST and X-Men. Reeves has his Johnny Mnemonic movies, too, but he's a excellent actor when you give him a good script.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:29 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Let's have fun with spelling flames, Jentz.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:06 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>He's a character actor. Man, just watch The Professional.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 2:09 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Spacey has always raped the world with his talent. Reeves sags, but I liked him in Bill & Ted.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:01 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "comic sans MS"; text-align: left; '>Yep. And then look at his role in The 5th Element. Then try to remember Dracula. Excellent actor. All his acting is never the same, unlike Keanu Reeves - "Whoa!"</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:35 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Easy there, SwineSwiper...</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:22 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Underappreciated? Did you see the Usual Suspects?</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:27 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>5th Element is a good "fun" movie, and Gary Oldman is definitely the best part. I love the way he says "I'm screwed!" when he finds the four stones aren't in the box.</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:01 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>He's a stylish young california guy. He plays that well, but not much else. Kinda like how John Travolta's only good at playing cool, italian guys</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:32 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Exactly, a 2D actor. He's a fairly good one, but no one goes around calling him Oscar-calibur or anything. Then again, that doesn't mean too much nowadays..</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:33 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Fully agreed. I can't think of anyone else who changes himself completely like that for every role Exactly the opposite of guys like Reeves</div>

PostPosted:**Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:55 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Reeves isn't much of an actor, but he does pick some pretty good scripts, I'll give him that. It's like he knows he's limited in his acting abilities and makes sure the people around him and script are good</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:29 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, his static (2D) character works well in an excellent script and with good supporting actors (Bruce Willis, anyone?), and he's very good and making sure he has that</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:45 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, wasn't it after Usual Suspects that he started getting lots of roles? I know he was in L.A. Confidential as well, just not sure which one of those helped propell his career</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:36 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Now you're arguing Bruce Willis' acting ability?! Shit, wait a minute...I'm arguing with Zeus. Why am I arguing with Zeus about movies?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:37 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>But, Bruce Willis sucked in that movie, didn't he?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:40 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I think that if he didn't play in Bill & Ted and didn't have that "Whoa" thing hanging around him like a bad turd, people would have a better opinion of him.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:59 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>When I see him, I never think of Bill & Ted, and I don't have a high opinion of him. I wouldn't say he's a bad actor, he's just not good. Well, he delivered some of the lines in Speed pretty poorly.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:00 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>You're just deadset on proving Zeus wrong, aren't you? No, he didn't suck in that movie. He did a good job. Gary Oldman just did a really good job.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:32 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Hey, I don't hate Bruce Willis, he's just not a versatile actor, to say the least. Hell, name me one film since Die Hard in which he wasn't a John McLane-esque character. I can't think of one, and I've seen at least a dozen of his films. I'll go check what movies he's done...</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:35 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not at all, but he was a static, 2D character that relied on a fun script (I wouldn't call it "good" even though it is one of my fav action flicks) with some pretty good supporting acting (Gary Oldman and Ian Holm come to mind; hell, Milla was pretty good too). Point is, he RELIES on it, not Oldman</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:36 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, Sine lives by the "Zeus' opinion is the opposite of reality" rule of movies</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:39 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He plays the part of ordinary guy in extraordinary circumstances well. Even in Speed, he was a cop, but was more like an ordinary guy. That's his static character in every film (except for The Gift, and he wasn't good in it) which is why sometimes it doesn't work (Johnny Mneumonic)</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:42 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Hold on a minute! I haven't seen it yet, but I heard he actually played a different character in Breakfast of Champions a couple of years back. It sucked ass at the boxoffice, but that doesn't mean it was a bad film. I'll have to check it out</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 1:53 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Were you living in a cave when The Sixth Sense came out? That and Unbreakable are two examples of good Willis acting. And Death Becomes Her.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 4:14 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>What was this about again? Something about the Matrix... or Titanic.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 14, 2002 5:39 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Death Becomes Her. Great example</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:04 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I loved Sixth Sense and Unbreakable wasn't bad, but they were both perfect examples of Willis and his 2D character surrounded by an excellent script (well, good for the latter) and great supporting actors. He's just McLane...</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:42 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Uhh... no. There is no way his character in Sixth Sense is how he played McLane. Not at all, no way, no how.</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:39 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>When I saw it (and all other films he's been in) I just see John McLane put into that position. That's just him. Doesn't mean his films are bad, he just doesn't bring anything to the role aside from a 2D character, which is why he's so hit-and-miss</div>