The Shrine

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Considering the current world situation and the slew of war movies that have been coming out over the last few years, what did you guys think of Pearl Harbor? Again, I will withhold my opinion until the end</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>IT SUCKED! Why even bother asking? Huh? Did you like the love triangle story? Are you sad Hawaii didn't sink like the Titanic? *winks*</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I didn't particularilly like Titanic, but there's no denying that it was one of the best movies ever made. Highest selling by far ever, second highest budget ever, and awesome reviews. It just wasn't a movie completely to my tastes, I mean there were at least a couple of things I liked about it.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Seeker, it's okay to say that it blew nads even though it was popular and won an...*cringe*...Oscar. After all, Superman 64 was popular.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Seeker, just because something is POPULAR doesn't mean it is GOOD. You seem to have trouble understanding this.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Actually, there's lots of denying.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>If you assume his definition of "good" means "popular or successful," all of his statements start to make sense.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Well it's a tad bit hard to aruge that logic....</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The section of the movie that contained the actual attack on Pearl Harbor rocked. The rest...eh.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>that's pretty much my thoughts on it...didn't like that whole love triangle dealie</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>I've never seen that movie and I never plan to</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Sooo.....what kind of point are you proving by never seeing that movie?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Personally, I didn't find the Matrix entertaining at all, in fact I find it painful to watch through even an hour of that movie. Does that mean that it's a bad movie?

If your response is that I just have bad taste in movies, then look at your own opinion on Titanic and I will apply the same concept to you.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>So yes, if <i>you</i> didn't like The Matrix, then <i>to you</i> it is a bad movie. When people say "The Matrix sucks" it is implied that <i>they</i> think The Matrix sucks. It does not mean that according to some objective standard of suckage, independent of any one person's opinions, The Matrix sucks.

So stating that Titanic was a great movie <i>because</i> it won a whole bunch of awards and was critically acclaimed is nonsensical. Some of what we consider great literature was not popularly received at the time. Does that mean that at the time, was in fact bad, and when people started to like it, it became good? That's nonsense.

<i>If your response is that I just have bad taste in movies, then look at your own opinion on Titanic and I will apply the same concept to you.</i>

Of course, that's fair and rightly applicable. Your opinion on movies is not inherently better than mine - and nor are my opinions inherently better than yours. It is <i>my opinion</i> that you have bad tastes in movies (well, this movie), and it may be <i>your opinion</i> that I have bad tastes in movies. Who's right? Neither, it is an inherently subjective judgement. The concept of absolute rightness does not apply. There is no objective standard from which to determine who is right.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>If you're going to do this for every movie you've ever seen, tell me now so that I can shoot myself. ;)</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Superman 64 was never a popular game, it also had bad reviews and did not win any awards.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>It sold extremely well.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>If you didn't like it, you didn't like it, that means it might not have been to your tastes.

If a large percentage of people liked it. Critics are giving it high marks for costume design, cinematography, acting, etc... Then it usually means its a great movie. Individual opinion doesn't matter because there's a chance of bias. What matters is the general opinion, there's much less chance of bias with larger groups of people, that's fairly basic statistics 101.

Lets face it, when it comes to bias in media entertainment, the Shrine takes the cake.

<I>Some of what we consider great literature was not popularly received at the time.</I>

I haven't heard of any such incidents in recent times. Of course up until very recently, most people couldn't read. Don't forget to consider that.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>No it didn't, it made it to 9th on the charts for one month, that was surprising considering the reviews, but you are forgetting that Superman is a very well known icon in the entertainment industry.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Well, it did sell over a million copies. That's considered extremely successful for a video game...</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Well, while it is true that most things that are popular are that way for a particular reason, if you replace others' opinions for your own based on how successful something is then it's silly.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Well you said "I didn't like it... but it was one of the greatest movies every made cuz it made alot of dough"... regardless of my opinion, it seems to me like (and this isn't the first time I've noticed this) you equate "good" with "popular or successful" like Kupek said.</div>

<div style='font: bold 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Typically predictable hollywood tripe...take out the battles and you have below average t.v. movie of the week quality acting and dialogue...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>As much donkey cock as that game sucked, it sold very well. I don't think it hit a mil like Ish said, but it did way better than it ever should have</div>

<div style='font: bold 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I can deny whatever I please...Titanic sucked hairy monkey balls...and DiCaprio would be working at McDonalds if he looked like Joe Pesci...</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I didn't forget, I know how popular Superman is, I'm still dying to know who the new Superman will be. I'm sure the developers of the game thought it was successful, considering the $$$ the put into it...all $1,000.</div>

<div style='font: bold 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Ignorance is bliss?</div>

<div style='font: bold 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>The Oscars are 95% politics, 3% ass kissing and 2% actual worthy talent...</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You're off by about 825,000 there. Check the 1999 NPD.com TRSTS sales data.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I am sure those numbers are 100% accurate.</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>He doesn't know.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>"The boat sank-- get over it"</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '><a href="http://www.epinions.com/content_68471328388"> This extensive review </a> mentions that it sold a million copies and <a href="http://www.boersenman.de/bm/download/Re ... itus_0.pdf"> this European prospectus </a> mentions that it sold 430,000 in only its first month (thus refuting Seeker's claim it only sold 175K). I would have dug up more evidence, but I'm already ashamed that I spent any time on it at all.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Well, they certainly add up to 100%.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Funny, that was the main reason I wanted to watch the movie.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Don't worry. I appreciate your hard work.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, Pearl Harbor, IMO, was one of the worst pieces of shit to ever come out of the studio system as a big-budget picture. It was THE definition of formula, in every way. It was AWFUL</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Again, proving a point</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Thanks, even though it took like 2 minutes. :)</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>What point is that? That I'll shoot myself if subjected to this over and over again? Point proven! Have mercy on me man! ;)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>We said that when it came out in theatres.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Just proving the point that my tastes aren't so much different than the rest of you guys</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Proving that the blind can hit the side of barn once in a while? =8^)</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>We'll see. I'll keep a database of how many movies you guys agree with me on, then you'll all be forced to admit Titanic is a great film :-)</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You're better off raising the Titanic.</div>