The Shrine

PostPosted:**Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:16 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html">The Truth about Bowling</a>

Uhm...wow...ok, maybe I won't bother seeing Bowling for Columbine now...deserve that Oscar he did not.</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:03 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>excellent article.</div>

PostPosted:**Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:50 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>excellent article, bad impression of Yoda.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 2:11 am**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Damn, I hope nothing that I ever do gets critiqued by that guy.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:58 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Hes a research freak appearently. He has backup foreverything he states. Like i said, and excellent article.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:59 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Hes a research freak appearently. He has backup foreverything he states. Like i said, an excellent article.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:49 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No one ever said Moore was unbiased or that he didn't twist the truth sometimes. But in our society nowadays, you HAVE to do that to get people to listen. Why do you think all these people are coming out of the woodwork to slam him now? Because people are listening and actually starting to think...</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:13 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>We prefer the truth....and we don't like to be fooled.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:37 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>then don't lie and decieve during a documentary which are supposed to be by definition fact</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:40 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>He made Chartlton Heston appear to be an uncaring monster by doing a LOT of deceiving, lied about Lockheed Martin, lies about Canada's gun laws, and tries to get the viewer to believe that our youth are all psychologically fucked up kids. And the point this article was trying to make was that this is in no way a documentary and yet it got an award for best documentary at the Oscars-- that's just sick</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:41 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>and how does getting everyone to listen do any good when it's all lies?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:16 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>You're not going to watch a great film because it's not a documentary by the Academy's definition of a documentary?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:40 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If you're going to present something as fact, present the facts, not spin.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:54 am**

<div style='font: 12pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Moore takes some artistic license with his work... but I fail to see how when Moore does it to prove a point it is wrong but when Bush does it to send thousands to die, it's okay.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:35 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I should say. And not even a shred of bias. He even goes on to talk about the good points that Moore DID bring up</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:39 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Well, I think the article points out bigger problems with the film than simply breaking the Academy definitions.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:39 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>Artistic license? Making Charlton Heston out to be a monster is artistic license? The main point of this is Bowling is NOT a documentary and had no right to win that Oscar</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:41 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>and I'm just going to ignore that ignorant little insult at the end of your comment</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:47 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>it's not a documentary period-- he twists half the shit because no one wants to hear about how Lockheed makes satellite rockets or that Charlton Heston has a heart</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:53 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>and no-- I have no desire to watch a movie that tries to decieve and lie to the audience claiming it's all fact</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:58 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Glad I didn't see the movie then. That's a lot of spin for one movie.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 2:56 pm**

<div style='font: ; text-align: left; '>The irony in the responses in this thread is killing me...</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:18 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>trying to stir the embers again, are we?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:03 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Wow. I suspected there was some fact manipulation while I was watching it, but I didn't think it was this much.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:09 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>"Holier than thou" has spoken!</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 6:48 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Yet you'll watch the news all the time. :)</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:24 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>how does this relate to the news? And the only news show I watch is the Daily Show</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:09 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Then never watch any of the news channels, never read a newspaper, never listen to a politican speak, never listen to anyone at work....</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:11 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>When i get the DVD, I'll read the article first then watch it and see for myself just how much this article makes the points Moore was trying to make irrelevant</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:12 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If he didn't add the shock value, no one would listen</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:31 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Baaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh?

KO-</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:30 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Some of them may twist the truth, granted most of them have at some point. But it seems this movie was chock full of it. BTW....you've become a paranoid conspiracy theorist lately. Didn't you mention the US gov't planning to do something to get people to not watch Bowling?</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:26 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>when I can't trust a documentary to read me a fucking plaque without lying then how can I trust the rest of it?</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:27 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>extreme exageration, lies, and deceit are all ingredients in 'shock value' ?</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:28 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>You realize thsi will only serve to upset Zeus, right? I mean...he was like Don King promoting this movie here! =8^)</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:37 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If the material he was presenting was sufficiently strong to provoke the sort of social change that Michael Moore wants, there would be no need to change things around like he did. In this case, having to resort to lies in order to get "shock value" means his points don't have enough merit.</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:51 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'll let you in on a secret, G-Man: The ONLY reason I post here is to upset Zeus : )</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:53 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Exactly.</div>

PostPosted:**Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:21 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt Baskerville; text-align: left; '>But isn't that exactly what he accused the media of doing at the end of the movie, which he claims is the root of the problem?</div>

PostPosted:**Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:18 am**

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>of scaring the population? yeah, and that's what he does. this article also pointed that out</div>

PostPosted:**Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:06 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Every documentary takes license with the truth. This article presents one slice of BfC - there are still a bunch of things which the movie did right and as the article states, Moore did have some points.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:59 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.staticflow.net/index.php?s=1 ... 57870">Big ol' argument on Moore...</a>

Honestly, there are only a few problems with the movie. I've already argued the point on another thread...</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:02 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Agreed. If he produced a rock solid documentary with no bias and no "shock value", the other side would have had NOTHING to bitch about. Hopefully, now that he's popular, he'll do just that.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:10 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>I'm having trouble understanding how what politicians do is okay, but Moore is completely bad and wrong.</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:28 pm**

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:51 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No one gives a fuck if you watch it....it's all about questioning the status quo. The people in charge do not want the masses to start questioning the status quo 'cause they'll lose their status, which means bye bye money and power. That's the real issue....</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:53 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>l only wish that were true. At the end of the day, you HAVE to shock people to get them to listen to something that doesn't go along with what they think is "normal" or status quo, regardless of how much merit your point(s) have. And considering there's so many pushing the other side.....</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:54 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He's gained his popularity by adding shock value, there's no way he'll stop now. Still, the form of his presentation doesn't automatically dismiss the points themselves</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:56 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, the root of the problem according to him is scaring people to consume, not shock them to make them think. Do you know the kind of chaos that would ensue in the US if Joe Bagofdonuts decided to actually seriously question the political heirarchy?</div>

PostPosted:**Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:57 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Which everyone here seems happy to dismiss......</div>

The Shrine

Uhm...wow...ok, maybe I won't bother seeing Bowling for Columbine now...deserve that Oscar he did not.

Uhm...wow...ok, maybe I won't bother seeing Bowling for Columbine now...deserve that Oscar he did not.

TWIST the truth?!

You should watch it....but what do I care? And frankly, if you DID watch it, maybe you'd realize some of the "lies" this article claims are not such (I don't know about anybody else, but I never equated that NRA footage as direct attack on Colum