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VERY cool thread on Slashdot about Matrix:Reloaded (spoilers clearly marked).  I think this movie is MUCH better than I thought (and many negative reviewers)and I really need to see it again fast.  I think Bros. Wachowski are up to something big

PostPosted:Thu May 15, 2003 2:50 pm
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://slashdot.org/articles/03/05/15/0 ... &tid=97</a>

VERY cool thread on Slashdot about Matrix:Reloaded (spoilers clearly marked). I think this movie is MUCH better than I thought (and many negative reviewers)and I really need to see it again fast. I think Bros. Wachowski are up to something big and we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg...</div>

Movie was great! But I'm still confused about....(spoiler)

PostPosted:Thu May 15, 2003 5:15 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>the guy who was keeping the Key Maker. Who is he? A programmer like Neo that decided to stay in the Matrix?</div>

I was confused by that too and hope it gets clarified when I see it again...But as best as I can tell...[Spoilers galore]

PostPosted:Thu May 15, 2003 7:41 pm
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>He's some sort of being (possibly one of those degenerate programs they talked about) who can gain "backdoor" access to any part of the Matrix.

But the question about Neo is...is he really a person?

Also, the ending calls into question whether "the real world" is real at all or just another Matrix. Otherwise, how could Neo have stopped those Sentinels at the end? I guess it's possible he somehow gained powers in the real world, but that doesn't hold up as well.

Also, the business about Zion being destroyed all those times is interesting and calls into question just how old the Matrix really is. Right now it's looking like it's been around way more than a 100 years.

There's a bunch of other stuff to question too, but I gotta run for now. Really an interesting movie upon further reflection...</div>

I had to run to the restroom during that scene with (spoiler)

PostPosted:Thu May 15, 2003 10:20 pm
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>....Neo speaking with the Oracle. I know that's the part where she revealed somethings about "old programs" refusing to get deleted. I gotta watch it again. Good stuff.

The love scene dragged too long. =8^)</div>

yeah...cause I'm wondering then if it isn't...

PostPosted:Thu May 15, 2003 10:56 pm
by Tessian
<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>If the real world isn't another matrix then how the hell are the humans who run away always going back to the same place? I don't think humanity's always that predictable.</div>

That's because....

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 12:13 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>They're not running away on their own. The machines <i>created</i> Zion, and help to re-populate it every time. However, there still may be a Matrix on top of a Matrix.</div>

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 12:14 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's about what I figured.</div>

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 3:55 am
by Torgo
<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You're right about the latter. It was confusing, too. I couldn't tell the difference between Neo and Trinity :)</div>

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 8:03 am
by G-man Joe
<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>I TOLD you they're siblings!</div>

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 2:42 pm
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Yeah, you definitely needed to listen in on that part. It was pretty critical.</div>

Yeah, I just saw it a second time.  Great stuff.  Caught some things I missed...

PostPosted:Fri May 16, 2003 9:19 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>For example, the French guy mentions "predisecors" twice in the weapon fight scene, showing just how old of a program he really is. Note that this was before you actually figure out what this means.</div>