The Shrine

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Not only are some of the "rogue programs" merely programs that avoided deletion, but some are also programs from older versions of the Matrix. Any theories on how a program can survive from one iteration of the Matrix to the next after each reboot?

Also, I noticed a lot more details in the action scenes. Anyone else notice how the twins would phase in and out whenever they got hit? It was especially awesome when Morpheus had that sword fight with them in the garage and they'd phase shift whenever they'd get hit. It passes by so fast that I just missed it the first time I saw it (and being fully sober this time probably helped too). And when Morpheus grabs the Keymaker from the motorcycle on the highway scene, he uses the hilt of his Katana as a pedestel when he grabs the keymaker. Also a sweet little detail. The whole freeway scene was way cooler (as were all the fights, really) on the second viewing. And the fight between Neo and all the agents was just fucking sweet...again. The whole movie seemed better the second time around in fact. I'd go so far as to say it's better than the first.

Ok, I've rambled enough. I'm still wondering about my original question though - how could programs survive between reboots?</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>It would be a waste to delete all of those useful programs and start from scratch. After all, the Architect survived reboots as well, so all of the programs must be put onto some HD before the reboot. I'm sure the rogue programs have some way of hiding themselves here. After all, many of them hide in the main mainframe, which seems to be immune to agents and other deletion tools.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>...the Matrix does a "reboot" like we know it. I think ALL old programs are supposed to willingly go to the Matrix for deletion and new version take its (or their) place. The rules of the system (or world) remains the same, like the power grid of a 28 city need power from a power plant. The Matrix can't kill the people off and start with babies with "programmed parents". That's too many programs that the Matrix will have to risk because of the rate of programs not wanting deletion.

It's all speculation, of course.</div>

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...the Matrix does a "reboot" like we know it. I think ALL old programs are supposed to willingly go to the Matrix for deletion and new version take its (or their) place. The rules of the system (or world) remains the same, like the power grid of a 28 city need power from a power plant. The Matrix can't kill the people off and start with babies with "programmed parents". That's too many programs that the Matrix will have to risk because of the rate of programs not wanting deletion.

Well, they specifically said that the rules of the system are not the same between versions of the Matrix and that they're trying to create a "correct" version...only they fail and thus The One always shows up. Also, it seems like old versions of programs become obselete within the same version of the Matrix (and they choose whether to face deletion or not within that same version). But there's nothing about what happens between reboots. I guess there could be a holding area sort of like the backdoor part they showed.

It's all speculation, of course.

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It would be a waste to delete all of those useful programs and start from scratch. After all, the Architect survived reboots as well, so all of the programs must be put onto some HD before the reboot. I'm sure the rogue programs have some way of hiding themselves here. After all, many of them hide in the main mainframe, which seems to be immune to agents and other deletion tools.

I think it remains to be seen what exactly the Architect is (human, machine, program?). I can understand hiding in the mainframe avoiding detection <i>within</i> the Matrix. But I don't understand what happens when the Matrix itself goes away. I guess there could be some sort of harddrive-like area somewhere....</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>just because the rules are not the same doesn't mean everything is different. i think that anything that is not known to be part of the change is just left alone and carried over.

like the program that governs the sun rise and change, would that have ever needed to be updated? if not, than why make a new one.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>lol, I don't think any of us sober people missed any of that the first time.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt Dominion; text-align: left; '>they never could take down the Matrix-- it's more like a continuing work in progress that's getting constant upgrades. Like ICQ it's never out of beta; always being improved piece by piece. Sure they may do major overhauls but the Matrix never went down at any one point because people would have died and/or awakened in their little egg bathtubs.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>When you delete something off your HD it's not really gone completely, you can still recover it. To keep the analogy going, they don't reformat, just reinstall, and manually delete the crap they don't want...they just miss some stuff which has found a way to bury itself within the program. It's like trying to delete Winblows off your comp and then manually cleaning up the crap that's left over, there's bound to be some shit you missed, even if you know where everything is.</div>