The Shrine

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I posted this somewhere else and decided I'd post this here.

I'm not going to explain every facet here as that would take a ton of time I don't have right now. But I'll answer the following and in the process, answer a bunch of other stuff:

<h1><i>WTF happened at the end?</i> </h1>

Before we can explain the end, you have to remember what's happened
previously in the movie. Note how earlier in the movie, after Neo
lost his sight, he opened a sort of third "inner eye". FYI, this is based
partly on Jungian philosophy (read "Inner Eye" by Jung and Cayce), but
it's not necessary to understand this deeply because the movie tells you
everything you need to know.

After Neo forcefully has this third eye opened, you are supposed to notice how he's able
to still see all the machines in the so-called "Machine World" as gold and still
see everything in the Matrix just as always (as green code). (NOTE: This has
interestng implications for Seraph who appears golden in the Matrix). BUT, he still can't
see Trinity, his ship, or anything else that's not in the Matrix or not part of the
Machine World. This is *incredibly* important!

Now, note during Neo's fight with Bane, Neo is able to see Bane's true form...that is,
Bane was really Agent Smith. And Agent Smith appears golden to Neo, just as if Smith were
a machine..which he is, in the Machine World.

NOW, remember an important line from the Oracle (it was during one of those boring "talky talk" parts
of the movie :) ). The Oracle tells Neo his power comes from the Source and extends into the machine
world. The Source is a connection between the Machine World and the Matrix, and so Neo is able to gain a measure
of control over BOTH! *This* is why Neo is able to throw up a hand a blow up robots whenever he feels
like it.

Now understanding of THESE things are important to understand the question
originally posed -- what in the flying #### happened in the end?


Simply put -- Neo becomes a machine ( and thus directly tapped into the source ) when Agent Smith
"takes over" his body. REMEMBER, when Smith takes over someone's body, parts of that person hangs around
(remember the Oracle's words coming from Smith's mouth as Neo's beaten body lay in that crator) AND
that person becomes a machine in the Machine World (ie, like Bane was). So Neo becomes a machine in the
Machine World (note Neo's golden form at the end of the film when the camera is looking at the world in "machine
view") and uses Smith's connection to all the programs/people/etc that he took over in the Matrix to subsequently free those people (from Smith, NOT the Matrix).

When you see the movie again, it's important to carefully look at what's been shown an listen to what's being
said at all times. I did that and I'm still seeing new stuff after watching the movie 3 times. There's *tons*
of other stuff to discuss really, but I'm tired and I gotta get up tomorrow. ;)

I need a drink. I'd be happy to discuss other explanations and views also.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>So where'd you copy and paste this crap from? :P</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Neo = +1, Agent Smith = -1, the equation was balanced, and they canceled each other out. That's about all their is to it. It was really lame actually.

When he was fighting Bane, Neo looked like a moron Bane: "Hello Mr. Anderson!" Neo: "Who are you?" Bane: "You don't recognize me Mr. Anderson?" Neo: "No, I don't know, tell me who you are!". And that dialogue went on for what seemed like 5 minutes, seriously, everyone in the world who was watching, knew who the hell Bane was after that first line; but Neo is so god damn slow in the head. I just wish the movie answered the question as to why "The One" was such a fucking dumbass =P

As for the whole blind thing, that was just a waste of time, it is fairly irrelivent that he can see electric entities, it was just added onto the movie to appeal to Star Wars fans "Use the force Neo!". And as for him destroying machines, well obviously he had the power to disrupt them, the Oracle said something about it earlier but I was on the edge of falling asleep so I don't really remember.

Also, the Trinity death scene, just hurry up and die! That was almost word for word from the end of the movie Loaded Weapon 1 when the blonde chick died.

Also, when Neo was fighting Smith at the end, it was ridiculous, some punches were just like a slap in the face, others were like a nuclear explosion, I mean, come on, that's just retarded. Another thing, considering the amount of electrical energy up in the clouds, and the amount of wind in the surface world, why not just harness that energy instead of using humans? It would be WAY more efficient. And there is obviously sunlight, build some towers and collect solar energy.

Also the battle scene at Zion, what the hell? It was just a bunch of very fake looking CG robots blasting at a hole in the ceiling for half an hour, some people firing bazookas. Those EMH bombs or whatever, I'm wondering why they didn't invest in having some of them in the city as a last resort when all of their other defenses have fallen?

The only aspect of that movie I actually enjoyed was the cheesiness of the acting, at least it made people laugh. Overall, I can't really compare it to the second, because I couldn't stay awake for more than 10 minutes at a time the whole time I watched that one. But overall, it did suck a lot more than the first one.</div>

<div style='font: italic bold 14pt ; text-align: center; '>I have to say one thing, I thought the second was bad but that was because it was so hyped and didn't even come close. the new one wasn't overhyped at all but it still fell far short of whatever hype there was.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>I knew I shouldn't have read this, I haven't seen the movie yet and DAMMIT, I did not want to know...SO WHY DID I CLICK? I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MATRIX!!! Waaaaaahhh! okok, getting grip now......much better...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The whole blind thing was from the bible.....but I've never read it...</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>when Neo let himself be sacrificed when he was taken over by Agent Smith, the light in his chest in the machine world was in the shape of a cross. It seemed to me like a reference to Christ (giving his life for all of humanity, to be seen again as the Oracle said), and how the war is temporarily over, kind of like the battle between Satan and God.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Apparently, the entire series has been a take on it, that's what I've read, anyways</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Aside from names and ideas which are completely unrelated to each other in the context of the bible (they were there more or less as a marketing ploy), the Matrix has absolutely nothing to do with the bible.

It annoys me to see people saying, "Ohhhh, that name is from the bible, it's so deep!". Literature has spent 500+ years trying to get away from that uncreative BS. At least the references to the bible in literature from old literature made sense. The Matrix just ripped off a few names and ideas, and none really held any significance whatsoever to the meaning of the names and the ideas as they were written in the bible.

The plot of the Matrix can be summed up as follows: The surface world was destroyed, machines rule it, the machines are run on human energy, human thought is put into a program called the Matrix, some humans are still free from the machines and they are fighting them. It is an action film under the guise of a science fiction that surrounds CG action sequences meant for entertainment purposes only. It is a very simple story with not much creativity involved and a lot of bullshit included. Had the Matrix lacked the major special effects, no one would have given a rats ass about it. It would have been about as big of a success of the movie based on Logan's Run, if that.

Just to finish up the whole bible arguement; Speaking as one who has read the bible through and through for years and years, analyzed it to death, read a hell of a lot of interpretations from hundreds of people all throughout history of various passages: I can safely say that there is not one single aspect of the Matrix that remotely has any significant resemblenace to anything in the bible aside from some names and ideas which aren't even properly referred to. They were more or less just ripped off to be placed in the context of the futuristic action flick. Had the creators of the Matrix been more creative, they would have come up with their own names and ideas. More than anything, the names and ideas ripped from the bible were just a marketing ploy for the lowest common denominator audience.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>There are an enormous number of people who know much more than both you and I about the bible who draw many more similarities between a lot of what happened in the Matrix and the Bible. And how can you NOT say that after watching the 3rd?</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Quite doubtfull. Someone who has seen the movie and knows the bible as well as I do would give you a similar reply to mine.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Heh...the crazy wandering Samurai is back. =8^)</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>And because there are references, doesn't make them good, deep references, even, but they are there and are quite obvious sometimes. If you can't see Neo's messianic qualities then you obviously missed that whole New Testament part.</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Because he knows everything, Zeus. He can even read the minds of other people who have knowledge of the Bible. Why even disagree? It's futile.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I know it's brilliant, but it's an Ishamael original nonetheless. :)</div>

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Neo = +1, Agent Smith = -1, the equation was balanced, and they canceled each other out. That's about all their is to it. It was really lame actually.

<b> No.

If Neo is the summation of the chaos in the system, are we to believe that Agent Smith was the summation of the order in the system? I don't think so either.
</b>

When he was fighting Bane, Neo looked like a moron Bane: "Hello Mr. Anderson!" Neo: "Who are you?" Bane: "You don't recognize me Mr. Anderson?" Neo: "No, I don't know, tell me who you are!". And that dialogue went on for what seemed like 5 minutes, seriously, everyone in the world who was watching, knew who the hell Bane was after that first line; but Neo is so god damn slow in the head. I just wish the movie answered the question as to why "The One" was such a fucking dumbass =P

I don't understand why people expected Neo to somehow know that Bane had become Mr. Smith when he had no logical reason to think this. It's not like programs possess humans as a matter of course. The reaction that he had in the movie (ie, he thought Bane had flipped his lid) was correct n my view.

As for the whole blind thing, that was just a waste of time, it is fairly irrelivent that he can see electric entities, it was just added onto the movie to appeal to Star Wars fans "Use the force Neo!". And as for him destroying machines, well obviously he had the power to disrupt them, the Oracle said something about it earlier but I was on the edge of falling asleep so I don't really remember.

Irrelevent? I beg to differ.

It was clear to explicitly show that there is fundamental difference between the Machine/Matrix world and the "real" world. This also explicitly showed the connection between the Matrix and the Machine world.

Maybe you should wake up and watch the movie next time, so that you don't miss important stuff like this. :)

Also, the Trinity death scene, just hurry up and die! That was almost word for word from the end of the movie Loaded Weapon 1 when the blonde chick died.

Loaded Weapon or Lethal Weapon? ;)

Regardless, since I haven't seen either in years, I'll just take your word for it.

Also, when Neo was fighting Smith at the end, it was ridiculous, some punches were just like a slap in the face, others were like a nuclear explosion, I mean, come on, that's just retarded. Another thing, considering the amount of electrical energy up in the clouds, and the amount of wind in the surface world, why not just harness that energy instead of using humans? It would be WAY more efficient. And there is obviously sunlight, build some towers and collect solar energy.

Are you just now seriously complaining about an unrealistic fight scene in the Matrix?

No, I mean really?


Now for the energy thing. The original purpose for humans in the original Matrix script was that they were part of a massive neural network used by the machines.

The Powers that Be thought this would be too confusing, so the Wachowskis turned mankind into batteries, which is much easier for people to get.

Also the battle scene at Zion, what the hell? It was just a bunch of very fake looking CG robots blasting at a hole in the ceiling for half an hour, some people firing bazookas. Those EMH bombs or whatever, I'm wondering why they didn't invest in having some of them in the city as a last resort when all of their other defenses have fallen?

The EMP thing is such a common complaint that was so obviously explained in the movies, that I wonder if anybody was paying attention at all. The reason they don't use EMPs in dock is because it destroys of *Zion's* defensive capabilities too, leaving them helpless. That's exactly what Commander Locke says in the movie.

The only aspect of that movie I actually enjoyed was the cheesiness of the acting, at least it made people laugh. Overall, I can't really compare it to the second, because I couldn't stay awake for more than 10 minutes at a time the whole time I watched that one. But overall, it did suck a lot more than the first one.

I've found that it helps to, you know, be awake in a movie to understand it.

But I guess that shouldn't stop you from having detailed opinions on it. :)</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Because you have the willpower of a labotomized rodent. I suffer from the same affliction, sadly. :)</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>If all that's true, I'm not sure if I should interpret that as a feat to be admired...or something else. :)</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>That's about all that Neo was, he is far closer to Luke Skywalker or Michaelangelo the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle than Jesus. IF the creators of the Matrix were trying to make Neo like Jesus, they totally fucked it up.

If you want to read something with bible references, read just about any European work before the 18th century.</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I said he had messianic qualities. I never said he was like Jesus. There are many things about the character that aren't similar to Jesus. There are also references to him though that you have to be blind to ignore. It's easy to dismiss my argument by changing it to say "Neo was like Jesus" instead of "He has charateristics that are a reference to Jesus." And like I said, you don't have to think that the references were deep or intelligent. I don't think they were all that amazing. But they were there.</div>

<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Apparently, the story of St. Paul doesn't exist in Seeker's version of the Bible...He was a Roman who was struck blind by God and only after being blinded, was able to see "The Light"...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Smith was Neo's opposite. Together they were a duality, a word which was implied throughout the movie(did you see the oracle's little yin yang earrings, very cool.) When Neo said 'I won't lose', to the machine crazy face, he knew he could not, because if either smith or neo lost the fight, they would both die. They couldn't exsist without each other, in the matrix at least.

After the machines saw what happened to neo, they pulled out. Because they knew they could not live in their same fashion without the human resistance being alive. If the human resistance would totally perish so would the reason for the exsistance of most of the machines. It's the machines that realized harmony was the correct course of action, I doubt the humans yet have come across this concept. Which is true in real life too. :)

All this talk about using other power sources other than the humans. I'm no power expert and I don't know how easy it was to make the matrix or set up a huge multi human battery, but I'll just assume that it was the most efficient power for the machines to use.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually, once the shrine moved I came back, but I've been too busy to really post anything, so I read stuff about once a week or so....I will always lurk around in the shadows...</div>

<div style='font: 10pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, and your point was what? BTW the third movie sucked compared to the second, the ending ruined it for me...</div>

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Tell me these so called references then that are anything more than just a cheap and lame marketing gimmick.</div>

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Dude, I said they weren't necesarily good or deep references. Whether they are part of a gimmick or not is moot, they are there. That's all I'm saying.</div>