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This looks awesome!

PostPosted:Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:06 pm
by Shellie
<div style='font: 10pt georgia; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.apple.co.jp/quicktime/traile ... ge.html</a>

This looks awesome!</div>

PostPosted:Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:16 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, very neat, even though I still have no idea what it's about :-) I do believe this was posted here once as well, but it was still nice to see the trailer again</div>

Straight from the website...

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:25 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>An alternate world with an alternate history.

The entire planet was divided between two opposing alliances.
After fifty years of bitter warfare,
the Greater Eastern Federation triumphs over
the forces of Europa and gains dominion over the Eurasian continent.

However, this is an empty victory.
Years of chemical, biological and nuclear war have poisoned the land and
left an exhausted population at the mercy of every pestilence and newly-mutated disease.

It seems that there's little hope for humanity's future.
Debate rages over the chances of finding some way to stave off
the seemingly-inevitable decline of civilization.

One man comes forward with a possible solution.

Dr. Azuma is a geneticist who proposes a "neo-cell" treatment that
can rejuvenate the body and regenerate humankind.
He's driven in his studies by a desire to save his beloved wife, Midori,
from the ravages of pollution-related disease.

He appeals for funding to the government
but the politicians in the Health Ministry turn him down,
fearing that the new technology will threaten their entrenched powers.

However, a sinister faction in the powerful military makes
a secret offer to provide the support he needs to further his research.

When an incident occurs in the lab that sends
the Professor's "neo-cell" cloning experiment haywire,
a race of mutant human beings (Shinzo Ningen) is unleashed upon the world.

Instead of being the savior of mankind,
the Professor's miraculous technology looks set to threaten its very existence...</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:30 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Pfft, that's the problem with live Japanese movies, there's no fanboy otaku anime-heads around to translate it!</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:33 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I was thinking to myself the entire time, "Damn, that looks alot like that Anime I saw on Sci-fi about 10 years ago, Casshan: Robot Hunter." So, that's the same guy eh? The anime fucking rocked.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:34 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.absoluteanime.com/casshan/"> ... asshan/</a>

Re:</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:20 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Bah! I can't stand fan-boy Otaku's, they always seem to like Sub's better than dub's because of the voice acting, when it is quite clear for anyone who's not insane to see that the Japanese have the WORST voice actors in the known world =)</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:03 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Amen. I will fucking beat anybody that claims that the dub for Hellsing "sucks".</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:04 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I dunno. The two descriptions don't mesh at all.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:02 pm
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>And I can't stand it when people make equally silly exaggerrations from the opposite side. And what is so bad about Japanese voice-actors, btw?</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:50 pm
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Now THAT is annoying. I only prefer subs when the dubs are horribely butchered to apease 5 year old American children, a la Yugioh, Escaflowne, DBZ(early on), Sailor Moon(yes, it was butchered). If the dialog in on point, I usually don't mind. I even like Gundam Seed's dub after a 2nd look.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:50 pm
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>According to Don, it's all just monotone. Seeker's just ranting. :P</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:03 pm
by Don
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It's not so much monotone as being too predictable. There are certain types of character that always has the same type of voice because that's the industry standard. No originality at all.</div>

PostPosted:Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:20 pm
by Anarky
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Thats not always true... Battle Royale 2 had plenty of Subs available on Suprnova after it was released onto DVD</div>

PostPosted:Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:05 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I still need to get that, and Volcano High. :P</div>

PostPosted:Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:08 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>No dude, I'm telling you that's what it's based off of. :) Just get it online, it's pretty old, can't be more then $9.99</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:35 am
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?i ... d=17432</a>

Saw it and looks pretty cool. There's already a review up at Aint It Cool News. This guy seemed to like it....(haven't read full review though)....</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:28 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I get blasted for reading GamePro, and you put up a link on Ain't It Cool News. Jesus! TANJ it all!</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:32 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Gundam Wing was also a good dub. Zechs was a little too villianistic, but still good.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:05 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah but Ain't It Cool is actually accurate, at least in things I'm interested in.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:06 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Zechs was my favorite!</div>

PostPosted:Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:59 pm
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>Is there some history I should be familiar with? And technically it's not news from AICN. It's a reader submitting the review....</div>

Man, do I even need to quote the Matrix review he wrote?

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:54 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Quoting <a href="http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03 ... .html">The Bleat</a>: "Mr. Knowles is an interesting character for a variety of reasons – he lent legitimacy to the fervent fan-boy demographic, gave them a voice and some influence through the popularity of his site. He got a book out of the site; good for him. He got a TV show which runs somewhere on the planet, and is producing a movie; good for him. He has passion for movies and a voracious appetite for the genre. Bravo!"

"Alas, he cannot write. He is a horrid stylist; he writes like someone mashing the keyboard with bratwursts; his politics have the sophistication of a preschool crayon drawing, and his self-confidence in his insights is matched only by his inability to see how fatuous his work often sounds. Mr. Knowles is often held up as an example of New Media, one of those outsiders who’ve wrested the mike from the old tired media. Usually I support that sort of thing, but if ever there was an argument for restricting the role of Critic to the white-gloved aesthetes, the Lucius Beebes, the Jay Shermans, the guys who, y’know, have done it, with a laidy, nudge nudge, it’s Harry Knowles. His review of Matrix 3 proves that if you can’t say something coherent, just say it in purple-tinted boldface 20-point Arial..."</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:55 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>As a character, yes...one of mine, too. It's just that the voice wasn't supposed to be your standard fare villian voice, since that didn't fit the definition of his complex character.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:07 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>I go there for the cool accurate news, as opposed to the reviews which are suspect. Unlike Gamepro, which is just all around crappy.</div>

I've seen dubs everywhere from China, to Russia, to Sweden, to Germany, and even punjabi; the Japanese voice actors are the only ones who drive me away from watching a movie (anime in particular) because of the squeeky screetchy ugliness of the voice acto

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:31 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>If it's not squeeky and screetchy, its often very forced and makes you just want to laugh at it more than anything. It's not just a few Japanese movies and games that have these problems, it's almost all of them. There is very very little variety involved in how they speak, and they don't seem to change over time; you can't pick out one actor from another.

Also, I am probably speaking from by far the least anglo-centric view of anyone here at the Shrine as everyone here currently is from North America, and I assume only speak one language fluently, I speak 3 languages (I am most comfortable with Swedish and English, but essentially know the entire Norwegean language as well), and know enough to get by in 8 total (Dutch, French, Japanese, Danish, and German in addition to the other 3). Furthermore, I know prhases and words in about a dozen other languages in addition to the 8 (Czech, Finnish, Hebrew, Newfouneze, Punjabi, Greek, Italian, Latin, Mandarin, Russian, etc....). I am noit some language nut either, it's more about my upbringing, I grew up in a trilingual family (my immediate family was bilingual, Swedish and English) and the place where I grew up in was Toronto where essentially everyone I knew did speak English in public, but had a different language to speak at home.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:24 pm
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I'm not trying to challenge your language knowledge, but I don't really think it's fair to make cross-cultural comparisons of voice-acting abilities</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:52 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I do not recall ever hearing any Japanese speaking like the voice actors of animes though =P</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:34 pm
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>You can't apply that logic to animation in general you know.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:00 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>True, but at least the fake voices (like Jonny Bravo, Wolverine, or some other character) aren't all the same, and aren't, literally, painfully annoying.</div>

PostPosted:Mon May 03, 2004 1:14 pm
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I think the problem is more the lack of original CHARACTERS in anime. I don't really think it's the fault of the voice actors</div>

It's sort of a vicious cycle with both the voice actors, which are typecast to their character, and the character, which is typecast to the predicted voice.

PostPosted:Tue May 04, 2004 12:32 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Even then, there are some original characters (Gundam, Hellsing, etc.) that get that typecasted voice every time. It seems like you can tell which country selects the voices for English dubbing by the quality of the dub. If it's a bad dub with typecasted voices, it's probably a Japanese dubbing company selecting the voices.</div>

PostPosted:Tue May 04, 2004 1:39 am
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>My respect for their reviews has plummeted over time (as has my respect for all reviewers once I realized that I could do at least a good a job as any of them). However, they get the occasional news tidbit that makes it worth stopping by for a 1 minute or so everyday...</div>

PostPosted:Thu May 06, 2004 4:14 pm
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>True, true</div>