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Now that it is official that Brosnan's career as James Bond 007 is over, a little review of him as Bond. Down the road, how will he be seen?

PostPosted:Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:32 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>First of all I will go over his movies:

GoldenEye had a lot going for it, a massive budget, new characters, a lot of big name actors, and a massive ad campaign. Not to mention it had arguably the most popular videogame in history backing the lisence; which I believe was very key to brininging Bond back to the younger audience. If you ask most younger people which Bond movie was the first they ever saw, they'll say Goldeneye, and they didn't see it in theatres either, they saw it on video after playing the game. Sean Bean was one of the best Bond villains in the history of the series, and I believe that it was Bean's role as Rogue Agent 006 which really built the backbone of the movie. In reality, I wasn't too impressed when I saw it in Theaters, I felt this movie was inferior to other Bond films; I grew up on Bond, and was a huge fan of Connery and Dalton's work, so my initial opinion was a bit biased, however, time certainly did not make me feel better about the film, so I believe my initial instincts were fairly dead on for this one.

Tommorow Never Dies I felt was Brosnan's best film by quite a distance. The movie flowed a lot more smoothly than GoldenEye, and it brought back a number of old Bond traditions, like a secret base =P Overall, I felt that the strengths of this one in Brosnan's era was that it had the strongest plot, the best overall cast, and the best scenary. Overall, it may have done better in the box office than GoldenEye, but it did not have the worlds most popular game backing it, so was not as popular among young people.

The World is Not Enough: Two words, explosions and plenty. This movie was by far the most dramatic of the Bond movies done by Brosnan, and if you're a fan of action, this is the one. I did feel that this one had more in common with GoldenEye 007 than any of the others.

Die Another Day was my second favourite, it was closer to Flemings work than any of the previous three. It was also the most popular at the Box office doubleing GoldenEye sales, and making it up into the all-time top lists. It is the first movie after the tragic death of Desmond Llelywyn (Q).

Brosnan as Bond: In order to judge a Bond you first really have to have a means for comparisson. There were 4 Bonds before Brosnan. Most people will always associate Connery as Bond, and most of those fans will see Brosnan as being a wimp in comparisson, and indeed he is, he is the least tough character of all the Bonds. As a Bond, I felt that his style was closest to Roger Moore, but I always felt that Moore was smoother, he was by far more a ladies man than Brosnan; and he also had more coolness about him than Brosnan. Dalton, he was certainly the best actor of the bunch, and I felt that his movies were probably the most similar to Brosnan's, but I liked License to Kill and The Living Daylights more than any of Brosnan's movies, the way I see it, Tommorow Never Dies ranks up with Dalton's two, but I still liked Dalton's movies better. In comparisson to Lazenby, Lazenby was the most arrogant and cocky James Bond (but Connery came pretty damn close), and his character is almost dead on with Connery's, (in fact the only problem people really had with him was that it wasn't Connery); so anything I say about the difference between Connery and Brosnan can also be applied to the difference between Lazenby and Brosnan.

All in all, I think that 20 years down the road the general audience looking back on these movies will see Brosnan's era as fairly inferior (Most of those who are fans of the series already do). Not to say he is a bad Bond, inferior does not necessarilly mean bad, he was still a good Bond, but inferior to the rest he was.</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:25 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He's better than Dalton but far below Moore and Connery. That's how he'll be seen anyways. As a Bond, he was great, but his films SUCKED. Dalton I thought was excellent, but many didn't</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:54 pm
by Imakeholesinu
<div style='font: 10pt Impact; text-align: left; '>No, Connery is by far the best, Bronson is a distant second. Rodger Moore wasn't all that good but if Dalton hadn't been working in the 80's atmosphere, he would have done a lot better.</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:55 pm
by Imakeholesinu
<div style='font: 10pt Impact; text-align: left; '>No, Connery is by far the best, Brosnan is a distant second.  Rodger Moore wasn't all that good but if Dalton hadn't been working in the 80's atmosphere, he would have done a lot better.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:58 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Dalton was mostly 90s.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 06, 2004 8:57 am
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Dalton lost before anyone even give him a chance. He was actually in a couple of very good flicks, but was cruicified since everyone wanted Brosnan</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:31 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>That's a very typical response, but I disagree, I think that each of the Bond actors really brought a unique quality to the role and can't really be compared objectively. Connery will always be the most well liked because he was the first, just like Captain Kirk to Star Trek.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:50 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Replace Dalton with Lazenby and Brosnan with Connery and you have almost an exact quote from Barbara Broccoli</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:27 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Forgot about Lazenby! Dear Lord, his film sucked an extraordinary amount of donkey cock. I came in a little way into the film once (On Her Majesty's Secret Service, if I'm not mistaken). It took me half an hour to realize it was Bond and it flows terribly. It was a mess</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:34 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, it was OHMSS. Why they casted some Indian dude as Bond, I don't know. Propellorheads did a good remix of the main theme for that movie, though.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:01 am
by Imakeholesinu
<div style='font: 10pt Impact; text-align: left; '>But it took us 4 years to shed the 80's.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:50 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I dunno...the 90-94 period had a strange appeal. It had a touch of the 80's, but it was still "Welcome to the 90's".</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:39 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Zeus, you're living back in 1970, nowadays most reviewers acknowledge it for what it is; one of the best Bond films of all time. It's easily one of the most all around entertaining, and is without contest the best book to movie translation in the entire series.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:41 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>He's Australian, and his family is from Northern England.</div>

PostPosted:Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:58 pm
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I really don't know what kind of super-drow crack-heroine mix you're smoking, but it's really starting to mess up your head.</div>

The only one between us who smokes any kind of drug here is you Sine, but that's beside the point. The point is that it's unwise to argue against an expert in hat experts field of expertise. Besides, just do a google search for "Top 10 Bond Films&quo

PostPosted:Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:32 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://sc.essortment.com/jamesbondwho_r ... edi.htm</a>

Also, you're speaking to someone who has read all of the 007 books and has seen all the movies numerous times. So when it comes to book to film adaptations, you probably will not meet someone who knows more than I do on that particular series.

The article I have here sums up the general thoughts of the majority of Bond fans. Not my thoughts exactly, but it's fairly close: For actors, I always felt Brosnan seemed like too much of a wimp; I also felt that the most popular Bond film, Goldfinger, was vastly overated and is actually one of my least favourite in the series (yet that could possibly be due to the fact that I have been subjected to it far too many times, and it is not a movie I enjoyed as much as others); but that article does accurately reflect the general opinion among fans.</div>

PostPosted:Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:31 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Whatever. If he's so shit hot, why did he only do one Bond film?</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:02 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Because he quit and Connery came back.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:06 am
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Never Say Never Again was 1983, I'm fairly certain that was when there was a studio fight over the Bond rights and Moore had already become Bond (1977 - Spy Who Loved Me). Lazenby simply sucked and his film was brutal</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:48 am
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>On the contrary, it is not the film, but your taste, which is brutal. By the way you seem to be a bit confused, Diamonds Are Forever was the next movie, and it starred Connery; and Roger Moore's first movie was Live and Let Die, not the Spy who Loved me.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:16 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I stand (actually, sit) corrected. Then, if Lazenby was so good, why did they bring Connery back? BECAUSE HE SUCKS</div>