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Taken from LA Times, since I know you hoe bitches don't like registering for anything. I LOVE this one: "In Lemkin's imagining, Superman dies on Page 15, while his "life force" is transferred to Lois Lane, who becomes pregnant with a child

PostPosted:Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:27 pm
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>The Warner Bros. corporate jet was ready three weeks ago to fly from the Burbank airport to Hawaii, then on to Australia. The passenger list was headed by the director who calls himself McG, tapped to turn a long-delayed "Superman" movie into a multiplex reality.

To save $30 million from the film's already steep budget, the studio wanted "Superman" shot in Australia. A summer 2006 "Superman" premiere seemed possible. But like so many attempts to revive the Man of Steel, the jet never got off the ground.

For reasons that are still in dispute, McG refused to get on the plane, the trip was canceled, and Warner Bros. was soon in search of yet another "Superman" director. After 10 years, four directors and nearly a dozen screenwriters, the studio Sunday said it was going back to square one with yet another director and a pair of new writers.

Hollywood has been cranking out comic-book stories at a staggering clip, and the gigantic profits generated by runaway hits such as the "Spider-Man" and "X-Men" films have motivated nearly every studio to sift through its comic-book collection and jump-start its own superhero stories. Sony Corp.'s Columbia Pictures is fast at work on another "Spider-Man" sequel, News Corp.'s 20th Century Fox is filming "The Fantastic Four," and Warner itself will release "Catwoman" on Friday.

Yet as easy as it might first appear to turn illustrated panels into a movie, adapting a beloved comic book can be a painstaking process, sometimes no less difficult than the most ambitious Academy Award-worthy endeavor. During the decade that Warner, a Time Warner Inc. unit, has spent trying to adapt "Superman," there have been so many storytelling and budgetary dead ends that the studio has sunk at least $20 million (perhaps as much as $40 million) into the project, without a foot of film to show for it.

"When you go down the road with movies that are this expensive, you have to believe in the people, in the process and in the direction you are taking," said Jeff Robinov, president of production for Warner Bros. Pictures. "And honestly, we have not been comfortable."

One reason "Superman" has been hard to get aloft is because the character doesn't have the kind of edgy appeal of a Batman or the "X-Men" crew. He's an old-fashioned do-gooder, sort of a nerdish superhero. Because several movies have already told his story, there's also a lot of cinematic baggage that must be reworked. At one point along the way, one of the producers didn't want Superman to fly or wear his familiar costume.

The studio has yet to settle on an actor to play Clark Kent and his faster-than-a-locomotive alter ego, although those considered include Nicolas Cage, Josh Hartnett, Ashton Kutcher and a raft of unknowns.



Warner's struggles on "Superman" are particularly noteworthy, not only because the studio has excelled at making self-perpetuating franchise films such as "Harry Potter" and "The Matrix" but also because very few movies go through these kinds of machinations and still get made.

The studio bought the film rights to "Superman" from producer Alexander Salkind in 1993 and a year later hired Jonathan Lemkin ("The Devil's Advocate") to write a script, which he called "Superman Reborn." In Lemkin's imagining, Superman dies on Page 15, while his "life force" is transferred to Lois Lane, who becomes pregnant with a child who must age exponentially to save mankind.

Greg Poirier ("Rosewood") was then brought on to rewrite Lemkin's draft. "I still like my script. I think they should just dust it off and shoot it," Poirier said. "But the thing has been through so many permutations, it's hard to keep up."

By the late 1990s, Poirier's script had been rewritten by Kevin Smith ("Clerks"). "It was such an eye-opener," Smith said. "I learned so much about how studio movies get made or, in this case, how they don't get made." Smith said producer Jon Peters told him not only that Superman couldn't fly or wear his old costume but that he had to battle a giant spider. Peters declined to comment.

Tim Burton was hired to direct, but after the studio's expensive flops "Sphere" and "The Postman," Warner canceled his $140-million version, even though it meant paying the director and his star, Cage, millions to settle their contracts.

For several years, the studio toyed with making a "Batman vs. Superman" movie. But the studio's top executives were divided over that dark film's commercial prospects, and it was eventually shelved.

The studio subsequently hired "Charlie's Angels" director McG (whose real name is Joseph Nichol) to direct a pure "Superman" story, with J.J. Abrams (TV's "Alias") writing the script. But once again the project was thrown into uncertainty when McG left to make the sequel "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle." Warner ultimately hired Brett Ratner ("Rush Hour") to replace him. Filming was set to commence in spring 2003, but after a budget dispute (one price tag surpassed $200 million) and a casting disagreement, Ratner left the movie.

Then McG came back. The budget and location still proved to be at an impasse. Warner favored Australia, but McG wanted to make the movie in North America, mostly because he thought it would be more authentic and he didn't want to abandon his successful L.A. television production company. There also was the issue of McG's fear of flying, especially over water, which the studio said kept him from traveling to another continent.

The studio said that to find ways to help McG's phobia, it offered to buy out the entire first-class cabin of a Qantas commercial airliner to get the director to Australia, and then provided the corporate jet. McG's representatives said that though the filmmaker did indeed hate to fly, his phobia was not an impediment to making the $170-million film.

"When I flew to New York to scout," McG said in a statement, "I became enamored with our greatest American city. It was clear to me that this was Metropolis. As a filmmaker, I felt it was inappropriate to try to capture the heart of America on another continent."

On Sunday, Warner announced it was hiring "X-Men" director Bryan Singer and writers Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty to begin again.

Warner still believes it might make the summer 2006 release date.

"Let it take as long as it takes," said screenwriter Akiva Goldsman, who worked on the abandoned "Batman vs. Superman" idea. "No one looks back on a great movie and says, 'Boy, that took a long time to make.' "</div>

I think a superhero character freed from comic book conventions would be a refreshing change.

PostPosted:Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:06 pm
by Resin
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>This may seem sacreligious but I wouldn't mind it much if Superman didn't feel compelled to don some colourful tights and a cape to fight crime.

Doesn't that seem silly to anyone? Why wouldn't it have occured to him or any comic superhero really to do all that in civilian clothes?</div>

PostPosted:Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:16 pm
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I agree with Resin. If they're really going to do Superman...AGAIN...then it better be something hella crazy or I'm not gonna give a shit.</div>

PostPosted:Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:18 pm
by Zeus
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Basically, you can't take a character with 60+ years of history and change him, especially not one like Superman. It just flat-out wouldn't fly</div>

PostPosted:Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:37 pm
by Julius Seeker
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>"Fly no! but he can leap over tall buildings!"</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:01 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>You mean like WB's newest spin-off?</div>

I think a "classic" Superman can be done extremely well, if they get his attitude right. A one-dimensional do-gooder is not interesting. A man struggling with the weight of the world is.

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:19 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Superman is not stupid, but he is, in many ways, simple. He knows what is right and what is wrong. He has lines he does not cross. It becomes interesting when he has to temper this clarity with the reality of the world he saves. Seeing him struggle with this is what makes him interesting. Sipderman 2 actually covered some of this territory, but I think it's much larger and potentially more profound with Superman. That Peter Parker was a man struggling to understand his power and responsibilities. Superman knows his power and responsibilities, but struggles to be a man.

Just read Kingdom Come. If they have a Superman like <i>that</i>, I'll be happy.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:38 am
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Smallville hasn't changed him, it's HIM before the cape and tights. He'll still dawn them one day, my only question is whether or not they really made Jor-el evil or if it's Braniac.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:19 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Fuck it...do the death of Superman, and his four counterparts.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:30 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I think Spiderman 2 already completely covered what a Superman story would be. The characters are too similar to do a movie on. Besides, comic's oldest superhero is boring as hell now.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:23 am
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... =507846</a>

I think they're really quite different. If they just redid the old Superman movies, yeah, that would be boring. Portray a Superman like this, and you have something:</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:38 pm
by Eric
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>You can't take one of the greatest superheroes of all time and change his appearence cause you feel it's played out.</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:38 pm
by Imakeholesinu
<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Something tells me that the Catholics would have a problem with Lois being kinda like a "Virgin Mary" (And we all know she's no virgin!). This begs the question also, wouldn't she have to stay out of the sun or have the kid kick right through her torso?</div>

PostPosted:Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:47 pm
by Kupek
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's enough, Brodie.</div>

PostPosted:Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:24 am
by Gentz
<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Heh heh.</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:54 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>"Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm? I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back."</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:56 am
by SineSwiper
<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Yeah, but that's -TOO- different.</div>

PostPosted:Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:35 am
by the Gray
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Hell Yes to Kingdom Come! Easily the best thing out of the DC universe in quite some time. A Superman that 'retires' because the world doesn't want a do-good superhero anymore.</div>

PostPosted:Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:41 pm
by Ishamael
<div style='font: 14pt "Sans Serif"; text-align: justify; padding: 0% 15% 0% 15%; '>I would love a Kingdom Come movie (I agree, that's one of the best things to come out of DC...ever). Casual fans may not like it so much though. I saw a bunch of Alex Ross prints from this(and other things) at Comic-con...</div>