The Shrine

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/570/5 ... ml">Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher having sex....ohhhhhh yeah!</a>

With the perversion that is JFK and Alexander being a total flop, I'm begining to think that Apocolypse Now was actually some fluke and Stone doesn't know shit about directing.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>No kidding, ugh.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>You do realize that JFK was based almost completely on the book by and records of Jim Garrison, right? If you see the documentary with him (The Jim Garrison Files), you'll see that the movie is basically exactly the same</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I actually wasn't impressed with Apocalypse Now.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Nor was I. Natural Born Killers and Platoon on the other hand...</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Me neither, wasn't one of Coppolla's best :-)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Cram it, "Mr. Technicality."</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>D'oh. I assumed Sine got the right Vietnam movie. I've never seen Platoon.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Really? I think it's the best Vietnam movie ever made. (Though, admittedly, Marlon Brando's performance is one of the weirdest train wrecks in cinema history.)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Platoon's great. So's Wall Street. As for NBK, I have a principled objection to portraying ruthless serial killers as existential heroes.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "arial narrow"; text-align: left; padding: 0% 5% 0% 5%; '>Do it.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I found it slow and uninteresting. My expectations might have been a bit high, but yeah, I was unimpressed.</div>

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>I heard Stone was the only Vietnam-film director who actually fought in Vietnam. That may have contributed to Platoon's success.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The film was basically a recollection of his time in 'Nam</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I concur</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, I didn't say anything the first time, but you can't let the disease spred, you know? :-)</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Actually, JFK was based on a mish-mash of conspiracy theories, and Jim Garrison was a hack who didn't know much of anything. The movie was a perversion of truth.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>I think the objection was the whole point. He was uncovering the media's hero worship of anything that gives them ratings, including serial killers. He wasn't trying to say that it's actually a good idea.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Oh yeah...I forgot about NBK.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm willing to bet Garrison new a tad more about the behind the scenes of the JFK conspiracy than you or I or anyone who criticized him (no, that wasn't politically motivated at all....SARCASM ALERT).</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, that was the entire point</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>You probably won't like Redux, then.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Agreed, with Platoon in second. I could never figure out where to place Full Metal Jacket, though. It reeks of Kurbick (I mean that in a good way) too much for me to consider it a Vietnam movie.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>Full Metal Jacket is terrific all the way through the boot camp segment. What actually happens in Vietnam is kind of a letdown in comparison.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>I liked the media satire parts. It was the way in which the violence was presented that didn't sit well with me--first-person viewpoints of the main characters executing bystanders and stuff like that.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I think of it as two seperate movies.</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Yeah, but I think that's only because the boot camp was so damned memorable</div>

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>He definetely choked the viewers with the extreme portrayal, which turned me off the film in the beginning. I had to watch it a few times before it grew on me</div>

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Full Metal Jacket was like that to some extent. Clockwork Orange especially.</div>

<div style='font: 10pt Arial; text-align: left; '>It's a matter of style and tone. A Clockwork Orange doesn't ask us to root for Alex or celebrate what he does; whether we sympathize with him or not is up to us. I like that objective distance. As for NBK, certain parts of it feel like a simulation of a snuff film.</div>