The Shrine

The Seeker wrote:On the Storm Troopers though, they'd been around for quite a while by the time Episode 4 came out, maybe arthritis is a common disease among clones. You never know!

Now that's a question I have. Are they clones in 4, 5, & 6 or are they recruits?

Clones; it doesn't directly say in the movie but it strongly suggests it. Lines like "I wonder where all these Storm Troopers came from" and "He looks kind of short to be a Storm Trooper"; in reference to Luke, all Storm Troopers are the same height.

I just think it's kind of surprising that the Storm Troopers looked like Mexicans; I always thought they would be blonde haired and blue eyed just like real Storm Troopers.

I believe it was revealed in the Timothy Zahn novels that the 4-6 episode Stormtroopers were no longer in fact Clones. After the Clone Wars, cloning became quite the No-no. Most of the newer recruits came from the Corellian system, (like Han who at one time was an Imperial) and Coruscant. Heavy Human populated areas.

Now cloning didn't go away entirely, or we wouldn't have had cloned Luke or the Emperor Reborn.

If you don't know about that, well go read the damn books.

the Gray wrote:I believe it was revealed in the Timothy Zahn novels that the 4-6 episode Stormtroopers were no longer in fact Clones. After the Clone Wars, cloning became quite the No-no. Most of the newer recruits came from the Corellian system, (like Han who at one time was an Imperial) and Coruscant. Heavy Human populated areas.

Now cloning didn't go away entirely, or we wouldn't have had cloned Luke or the Emperor Reborn.

If you don't know about that, well go read the damn books.

Did it say this in the movies? The only one who can really say for sure is George Lucas.

the Gray wrote:I believe it was revealed in the Timothy Zahn novels that the 4-6 episode Stormtroopers were no longer in fact Clones. After the Clone Wars, cloning became quite the No-no. Most of the newer recruits came from the Corellian system, (like Han who at one time was an Imperial) and Coruscant. Heavy Human populated areas.

Now cloning didn't go away entirely, or we wouldn't have had cloned Luke or the Emperor Reborn.

If you don't know about that, well go read the damn books.

Cloned Luke & Emperor Reborn? @_@

the Gray wrote:I believe it was revealed in the Timothy Zahn novels that the 4-6 episode Stormtroopers were no longer in fact Clones. After the Clone Wars, cloning became quite the No-no. Most of the newer recruits came from the Corellian system, (like Han who at one time was an Imperial) and Coruscant. Heavy Human populated areas.

Now cloning didn't go away entirely, or we wouldn't have had cloned Luke or the Emperor Reborn.

If you don't know about that, well go read the damn books.

I'm hoping now that Lucas has that new animation studio up that he'll do the sequel trilogies with the original voice actors as CG films. Would keep the costs down and you could have the original cast back (Hamill is an accomplished voice actor and it's not like Ford and Fisher are doing anything nowadays). Only way it could be done properly. Those books ruled, I'd love to see them done

The Seeker wrote:

the Gray wrote:I believe it was revealed in the Timothy Zahn novels that the 4-6 episode Stormtroopers were no longer in fact Clones. After the Clone Wars, cloning became quite the No-no. Most of the newer recruits came from the Corellian system, (like Han who at one time was an Imperial) and Coruscant. Heavy Human populated areas.

Now cloning didn't go away entirely, or we wouldn't have had cloned Luke or the Emperor Reborn.

If you don't know about that, well go read the damn books.

Did it say this in the movies? The only one who can really say for sure is George Lucas.

He actually has say over the content of the books in his universe. Same with the games, comics, and other stuff. It's part of the total control he's had since the Holiday Special atrocity

In the Episode II commentary, Lucas mentioned that the troopers in A New Hope are clones. He says that the trooper that hits his head has inherited Jango Fett's clumsiness (remember he also hit his head while escaping Obi-Wan).

Well then George is changing the story around when it suits him.

I the by Zahn, that would have been 7,8 and 9 respectively, there are still pockets of Stormtroopers and other Clones out there hiding. They are hiding because they are considered abominations by Republic and Imperials alike. Luke comes across such a group who were cloned fighter pilots, not from Jango Fett. They escaped in their TIE's when the purging orders started coming down.

And as Zeus said, anything written in the SW universe has to get the OK by George Lucas.

the Gray wrote:Well then George is changing the story around when it suits him.

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And as Zeus said, anything written in the SW universe has to get the OK by George Lucas.

He hasn't really changed anything. Lucas has made it clear that the true canon are the movies. The books and all other periphery material must get his okay, but they are not canon.

Kupek wrote:He hasn't really changed anything. Lucas has made it clear that the true canon are the movies. The books and all other periphery material must get his okay, but they are not canon.

Which is why he likely won't make the Zaun books into CG movies. Too bad, 'cause they're a great sequel trilogy

Yeah, I would think of the books as sort of an alternate universe. Kind of like how the Spiderman movies are different from the animated TV shows.

The Seeker wrote:Yeah, I would think of the books as sort of an alternate universe. Kind of like how the Spiderman movies are different from the animated TV shows.

Well, the Spiderman movie vs the comic vs the cartoon is all about different interpretations of a character with no connections between the people making the interpretations.

Those books, as was pointed out, all fall under George Lucas' ever encompassing eye and require his approval so they're supposed to be considered part of Star Wars continuity, from what I understand. Whether he says that the movies are the only true source or not makes no difference to me. They're part of the SW universe and are even mentioned in the Starwars.com databank. In a comic, it's made clear when stories are officially part of continuity or are alternative versions of the universe.

It sounds to me like George Lucas just likes to screw with the info however he deems fit. You know he would have changed the "Greedo shooting scene" even if they directly stated what had happened in a later movie and he had to contradict himself.

That's how I look at the whole thing, at least.

The Spiderman Universe is still Stan Lee's creation. Either way, there is obviously a conflict of truths with Starwars, the movies do seem to be different interpretations than the books, even if the books are all approved by Lucas. The books may have been approved by Lucas just because they were close enough, but not what Lucas had in mind for his movies.

The Seeker wrote:The Spiderman Universe is still Stan Lee's creation. Either way, there is obviously a conflict of truths with Starwars, the movies do seem to be different interpretations than the books, even if the books are all approved by Lucas. The books may have been approved by Lucas just because they were close enough, but not what Lucas had in mind for his movies.

Well, as far as I know, Stan Lee doesn't have control over Spiderman.

I consider the two totally different but I do agree that there is a conflict of truths and I blame Lucas for just not being able to hold it together.

Lox wrote:Those books, as was pointed out, all fall under George Lucas' ever encompassing eye and require his approval so they're supposed to be considered part of Star Wars continuity, from what I understand. Whether he says that the movies are the only true source or not makes no difference to me. They're part of the SW universe and are even mentioned in the Starwars.com databank. In a comic, it's made clear when stories are officially part of continuity or are alternative versions of the universe.

They have. Everything that's not from the movies falls under the Expanded Universe. In the starwars.com databank, entries are listed as either "The Movies" or "Expanded Universe."

Kupek wrote:

Lox wrote:Those books, as was pointed out, all fall under George Lucas' ever encompassing eye and require his approval so they're supposed to be considered part of Star Wars continuity, from what I understand. Whether he says that the movies are the only true source or not makes no difference to me. They're part of the SW universe and are even mentioned in the Starwars.com databank. In a comic, it's made clear when stories are officially part of continuity or are alternative versions of the universe.

They have. Everything that's not from the movies falls under the Expanded Universe. In the starwars.com databank, entries are listed as either "The Movies" or "Expanded Universe."

Well, to me, "expanded universe" means it's the same universe as the movies but contains information and events not explained or included in the movie. That sounds like it should be part of SW continuity but I guess it's how Lucas views it.

Lox wrote:
It sounds to me like George Lucas just likes to screw with the info however he deems fit.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head. I recall someone saying that George Lucas doesn't feel constrained by any events in works outside the movies (i.e., he's free to change whatever he wants even if it conflicts with stuff in the novels/comics/games/etc). Hell, as you point out with the Greedo thing and his constant tinkering, he's not compelled to feel constrained by events he actually put IN the movies.