The Shrine

Wow, that's a helluva take on opening weekend, even by Spidey and previous Star Wars standards. I mean, $16.5mil on midnight screenings alone? $50mil on first day? $158.5 mil in 4 days? You can't blame the kids for those....

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/618/618278p1.html

Looks like a lot of people have gotten over their initial disappointment of the first film, put down their rose-coloured glasses, and have embraced the new trilogy. Guess a lot of the people bitching are secretly fans of the new three, even through they continue to give lip service otherwise in order not to be ostracized from their nerd culture :-)

I'm willing to be there were a whole bunch of stubborn nerds that went to see Monster in Law with their sisters/imaginary girlfriends/mothers just to spit Lucas LMAO

Generally grosses were down this year so far as well; I feel Ep III probably benefitted from generally having a year of thus-far pretty weak competition.

Yes, Zeus, because this movie has a large revenue, that means that everyone has come around to your way of looking at the Star Wars movies.

Here's the thing: I bet that even the people who hated Ep I & II couldn't stay away from Ep III because there's the secret hope that Lucas would make everything right again. Whether they agreed or not afterwards has no bearing on ticket sales because they already paid their money. Plus, it's the movie where Anakin becomes freaking Darth Vader, the villian among villians!

Obviously, this is a hypothesis and I don't plan on supporting it with any facts. Just a guess.

It doesn't hurt that Episode III is, actually, a pretty good movie.

I don't understand it though, Episode 1 and 2, if everyone hated them, then why did people keep going back to see them again and again?

If you had hated Fellowship of the Ring, wouldn't you still see The Two Towers?

Dude, the bad guys win. How can you go wrong? Heh.

I'm talking about Episode I and 2, people didn't just see it once, people saw it multiple times. Even the "fans" who claimed to hate it.

I loved this film but still hate the first two episodes. I'm not embracing the trilogy by enjoying the third film. The other two films can burn, for all I care.

I didn't find this one to be any more enjoyable than the last, they are all fairly equal in my opinion. But what made this one better for you for those of you who claim that you did like it more?

Dude, the bad guys won, what part of that wasn't cool?!

Zeus wrote: Guess a lot of the people bitching are secretly fans of the new three, even through they continue to give lip service otherwise in order not to be ostracized from their nerd culture :-)

Don't even try to pretend you're not one of them. You are really a Dork Lord of the Nerd hiding amongst us unwitting sheep disguised as Zeus, the Otherwise Nice Guy With Occasionally Dubious Taste in Movies. Hmm, now to find your apprentice.

Eric wrote:Dude, the bad guys won, what part of that wasn't cool?!

That's a fairly arbitrary point. Especially considering that this is only volume 3 of 6 where the good guys do win at the end.

Ishamael wrote:

Zeus wrote: Guess a lot of the people bitching are secretly fans of the new three, even through they continue to give lip service otherwise in order not to be ostracized from their nerd culture :-)

Don't even try to pretend you're not one of them. You are really a Dork Lord of the Nerd hiding amongst us unwitting sheep disguised as Zeus, the Otherwise Nice Guy With Occasionally Dubious Taste in Movies. Hmm, now to find your apprentice.

ROTFLMAO. 11! 1!

Kupek wrote:Yes, Zeus, because this movie has a large revenue, that means that everyone has come around to your way of looking at the Star Wars movies.

It has zero to do with my way. It's more of the fact that the very people constantly bitching about how poor the first two episodes were are the ones driving the sales of the third. Maybe, just maybe, there are a helluva lot of those same people who, after getting over the fact that the first two eps weren't the original trilogy shown in theatres again and they didn't get a blow-job while they were watching them, actually sat back and watched them again and realized "hmm, this isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought since I'm now actually giving it a chance".

There was definetely a backlash after the first film which is evidenced by the box office of the second (barely $300 mil and barely $100 in the first 4 days, far less than the first or second) but with this one, there was a lot more of a buzz and a helluva lot better turnout (so far). Considering the first day alone was $50mil (record) with $16.5mil coming in midnight alone (record), it wasn't coming from children or casual fans. This was all driven by the hardcores who, for some reason or another, were back in droves.

I was simply giving my opinion as to why. I will still like the new trilogy a helluva lot more than the majority of the "old" fans, but I would like it if people stopped being hypocritical in their thrashing of the first two eps. Obviously, if they went to droves to see this new one, the new trilogy isn't nearly as bad as they keep saying it is. They were excited about something......

Zeus wrote:It has zero to do with my way. It's more of the fact that the very people constantly bitching about how poor the first two episodes were are the ones driving the sales of the third. Maybe, just maybe, there are a helluva lot of those same people who, after getting over the fact that the first two eps weren't the original trilogy shown in theatres again and they didn't get a blow-job while they were watching them, actually sat back and watched them again and realized "hmm, this isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought since I'm now actually giving it a chance".

Or maybe, like myself and most people I know, they were dissapointed with Episodes I and II but enjoyed III.

Kupek wrote:

Zeus wrote:It has zero to do with my way. It's more of the fact that the very people constantly bitching about how poor the first two episodes were are the ones driving the sales of the third. Maybe, just maybe, there are a helluva lot of those same people who, after getting over the fact that the first two eps weren't the original trilogy shown in theatres again and they didn't get a blow-job while they were watching them, actually sat back and watched them again and realized "hmm, this isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought since I'm now actually giving it a chance".

Or maybe, like myself and most people I know, they were dissapointed with Episodes I and II but enjoyed III.

Another valid hypothesis :-)

Zeus wrote:

Kupek wrote:

Zeus wrote:It has zero to do with my way. It's more of the fact that the very people constantly bitching about how poor the first two episodes were are the ones driving the sales of the third. Maybe, just maybe, there are a helluva lot of those same people who, after getting over the fact that the first two eps weren't the original trilogy shown in theatres again and they didn't get a blow-job while they were watching them, actually sat back and watched them again and realized "hmm, this isn't nearly as bad as I initially thought since I'm now actually giving it a chance".

Or maybe, like myself and most people I know, they were dissapointed with Episodes I and II but enjoyed III.

Another valid hypothesis :-)

Here's a hypothesis: Zeus smells like cheese.

Let me test that...*sniff sniff* Yep, I can smell him from here.

Hypothesis proven.

Zeus wrote:Another valid hypothesis :-)

Quite the opposite. Myself and others have given concrete reasons why we like the original trilogy better. Instead of accepting those reasons, you have consistently chosen to ignore them and use your "rose color glasses" theory to explain our own judgements.

I agree with Zeus, the new ones has better plot, better special effects, better action, better acting. I also find the new ones for the most part more entertaining. Also, Zeus, 311 million dollars is still a lot of movie for the second one, it makes it the 17th highest grossing film in US history. The highest grossing film, Titanic, still only grossed 600 million, and none of the Lord of the Rings films grossed over 400 million even though that is widely considered to be the best movie series ever made.

Kupek wrote:

Zeus wrote:Another valid hypothesis :-)

Quite the opposite. Myself and others have given concrete reasons why we like the original trilogy better. Instead of accepting those reasons, you have consistently chosen to ignore them and use your "rose color glasses" theory to explain our own judgements.

Or I was actually agreeing with you that that's another reasons rather than simply assuming that my reason encompassed every single fan....

Of course, nobody has pointed out that there is no Matrix or Lord of the Rings competing with SW3.

Or Spiderman

The Seeker wrote:I agree with Zeus, the new ones has better plot, better special effects, better action, better acting. I also find the new ones for the most part more entertaining.

I will never understand your reasoning behind that, so I'm not even going to try.

Zeus wrote:Or I was actually agreeing with you that that's another reasons rather than simply assuming that my reason encompassed every single fan....

Then I apologize, because that's precisely what I thought you said.

SineSwiper wrote:Of course, nobody has pointed out that there is no Matrix or Lord of the Rings competing with SW3.

And those didn't have big movies competing with them, so I don't think it matters.

Lox wrote:

The Seeker wrote:I agree with Zeus, the new ones has better plot, better special effects, better action, better acting. I also find the new ones for the most part more entertaining.

I will never understand your reasoning behind that, so I'm not even going to try.

I have two words: IT'S OBVIOUS.

Kupek wrote:

SineSwiper wrote:Of course, nobody has pointed out that there is no Matrix or Lord of the Rings competing with SW3.

And those didn't have big movies competing with them, so I don't think it matters.

Weren't Matrix volume 3 and Lord of the Rings volume 3 out at the same time? Not to mention the Harry Potter movies?

Kupek wrote:

Zeus wrote:Or I was actually agreeing with you that that's another reasons rather than simply assuming that my reason encompassed every single fan....

Then I apologize, because that's precisely what I thought you said.

No prob. Tone is a little difficult to convey over the 'Net

The Seeker wrote:

Lox wrote:

The Seeker wrote:I agree with Zeus, the new ones has better plot, better special effects, better action, better acting. I also find the new ones for the most part more entertaining.

I will never understand your reasoning behind that, so I'm not even going to try.

I have two words: IT'S OBVIOUS.

It's "obvious"...that a film whose climactic military engagement involves a 9-year-old boy, who has never flown a spacecraft in his entire life, surviving a dogfight (in which older/trained/experienced pilots were getting shot down left and right), flying BY ACCIDENT into the droid control ship's hangar, firing off a torpedo into the reactor core - which was connected to the main hangar by a simple hallway (???) - of said ship, also BY ACCIDENT...has a "better plot"?

It's "obvious"...that a series of films in which a race of beings who can supposedly sense everything from someone's mere presence in a moon-sized space station to most emotions that people are feeling, could not have detected the strength of the Dark Side in their government's Supreme Chancellor...have a "better plot"??

It's "obvious"...that a series of films in which a supposedly wise member of said race could have been monumentally stupid enough to interpret a prophecy that says "the chosen one will bring balance to the Force" during a time when there were lots and lots of Jedi and no Sith as being a good thing for the Jedi...have a "better plot"???

And it's also obvious people nowadays like to thrive on the dramatic and every once in awhile see a hero fall.

Barret wrote:And it's also obvious people nowadays like to thrive on the dramatic and every once in awhile see a hero fall.

I was simply trying to point out how weak the writing was in the new trilogy, but since you brought it up...

Yes, you are right in that every once in a while, people like to see a hero fall. I, however, will posit two things: 1) In the Star Wars universe alone, "Empire" did that better in two hours than the entire new trilogy did in 7+; 2) on a related note, Luke was a much better "hero" than Anakin, who spent far too much of his time being either lucky or a whiny bitch. Obi-Wan's "you were my brother, I loved you" line was good, but it would have been even better if Anakin had actually been a likable character, or if the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan had ever been anything besides exasperated master and frustrated, ungrateful apprentice.

Agent 57 wrote:

Barret wrote:And it's also obvious people nowadays like to thrive on the dramatic and every once in awhile see a hero fall.

I was simply trying to point out how weak the writing was in the new trilogy, but since you brought it up...

Yes, you are right in that every once in a while, people like to see a hero fall. I, however, will posit two things: 1) In the Star Wars universe alone, "Empire" did that better in two hours than the entire new trilogy did in 7+; 2) on a related note, Luke was a much better "hero" than Anakin, who spent far too much of his time being either lucky or a whiny bitch. Obi-Wan's "you were my brother, I loved you" line was good, but it would have been even better if Anakin had actually been a likable character, or if the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan had ever been anything besides exasperated master and frustrated, ungrateful apprentice.

Didn't they try and really point out the fact that Anakin has a helluva lot more going for him than luck?

Zeus wrote:Didn't they try and really point out the fact that Anakin has a helluva lot more going for him than luck?

In AotC and Rots, sure - but by that time he had gone into full-time whiny bitch mode, so even though he was obviously very skilled, he was totally unlikable.

The Seeker wrote:Weren't Matrix volume 3 and Lord of the Rings volume 3 out at the same time? Not to mention the Harry Potter movies?

They were probably in the theatres at the same time, but their releases were about two months apart.

Agent 57 wrote:

The Seeker wrote:

Lox wrote: I will never understand your reasoning behind that, so I'm not even going to try.

I have two words: IT'S OBVIOUS.

It's "obvious"...that a film whose climactic military engagement involves a 9-year-old boy, who has never flown a spacecraft in his entire life, surviving a dogfight (in which older/trained/experienced pilots were getting shot down left and right), flying BY ACCIDENT into the droid control ship's hangar, firing off a torpedo into the reactor core - which was connected to the main hangar by a simple hallway (???) - of said ship, also BY ACCIDENT...has a "better plot"?


It's "obvious"...that a series of films in which a race of beings who can supposedly sense everything from someone's mere presence in a moon-sized space station to most emotions that people are feeling, could not have detected the strength of the Dark Side in their government's Supreme Chancellor...have a "better plot"??

It's "obvious"...that a series of films in which a supposedly wise member of said race could have been monumentally stupid enough to interpret a prophecy that says "the chosen one will bring balance to the Force" during a time when there were lots and lots of Jedi and no Sith as being a good thing for the Jedi...have a "better plot"???

As far as I remember, none of those points were even close to the central point of the plots. Also, the climax of the first movie was the the lightsaber battle, which was way cooler than anything int he old movies. The plot of the old Starwars movies makes Triple X look good.

In a nutshell, the plot of the first one is that a whiney androgenous golden robot just HAPPENS to land on a planet and comes in contact with the son of the legendary Anakin Skywalker. The robot just HAPPENS to have a message from Anakin Skywalkers daughter, and Luke just HAPPENS to find that. Even stranger, Luke HAPPENS to find a Jedi Knight, they go to a city and fly to a planet, and that planet just HAPPENED to be the target of giant space station that fires big laser beams, they then go and blow up that space station. The End. The old Starwars defines the term cheesyness.


PS, this is the last I am even going to look at this forum for a while. I used to have a huge problem with annoying Starwars fans back in grade school, I think I was allergic to them or something =P

This forum is bringing back unsettling memories =P

As far as I remember, none of those points were even close to the central point of the plots.

I must say, Seek, your internet arguing technique is really flawless.

You continue to be a master of conveniently ignoring/dismissing whatever evidence is placed in front of you and turning every debate or argument into a simple battle of opinions, in which you can never possibly be wrong (because opinions can't *BE* wrong, of course).

And to be honest, I really wouldn't mind it so much - we are arguing about stupid, trivial shit like which Star Wars trilogy or which Final Fantasy is better, of course - but your attitude continues to be one of "even though we have differing opinions, mine is still somehow better - and, as must logically follow, I am somehow a better, smarter, more civilized person", and it's as annoying as ever.

Well done.