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Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #132755  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:22 pm
$170 US (likely $190 Cdn) in black or blue

http://ds.ign.com/articles/954/954922p1.html

I will eventually get one as a collector, but I'm not excited at all about the "upgrades". Really, this is a Vista-like upgrade to me, I see no reason to upgrade at all. I'm not going to download too many DSiWare games (especially since the points for Wii and DSi aren't interchangable; they HAVE to change that) and most poeple have a camera that's as good or better on their cell. I can already play music using my R4 chip (but I don't anyways)....really, what's the point?

A more detailed hands-on in case you are interested
http://ds.ign.com/articles/954/954616p1.html

 #132761  by Lox
 Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:03 pm
I might get one since it is smaller and has nicer screens, but I'd be upgrading from a DS-Fat to a DSi. Of course, maybe the DSLite will be cheaper???

 #132763  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:49 pm
I use my DS a lot. I am due for a new one anyway, I got a hinge crack when it fell out of my pocket a while back. Super glue fixed it, but it's a little loose still. I am probably going to get it in April: DSware and the other features also interest me on top of the hardware upgrades.

 #132772  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:57 pm
Lox wrote:I might get one since it is smaller and has nicer screens, but I'd be upgrading from a DS-Fat to a DSi. Of course, maybe the DSLite will be cheaper???
Well, that would definitely be a reason to upgrade.

Of course, the Lite will be $40 cheaper. So if you can justify payin' $40 for the "upgrades" then by all means.

 #132782  by Lox
 Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:40 pm
A better design is enough for me. Plus, I know way too many people with shoulder button issues on the DSLite. Maybe the DSi will be a bit better made in that regard.

 #132816  by Kupek
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:59 pm
I want to know what kind of downloads they'll have. If they will do a Virtual Console for the DSi, I'd want that over a Lite. Otherwise, I have two GBA games, and I'd like to play FF5 Advance.

 #132819  by Zeus
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:37 pm
Kupek wrote:I want to know what kind of downloads they'll have. If they will do a Virtual Console for the DSi, I'd want that over a Lite. Otherwise, I have two GBA games, and I'd like to play FF5 Advance.
They haven't officially announced the Viritual Console for the DSi yet, but I can't imagine that'll be far behind. Unless they were stupid enough not to build the emulators into the system like they did with the Wii. Of course, that's an easy enough firmware update.

You could have a VC on your DSLite now if you REALLY wanted it :-)

 #132820  by Kupek
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:56 pm
Well, I can imagine that it could be far behind. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about the VC nearly as much as when the Wii was first released, and I think it's because it doesn't get as much return for their efforts as things like WiiFit.

 #132823  by Zeus
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:24 pm
Kupek wrote:Well, I can imagine that it could be far behind. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about the VC nearly as much as when the Wii was first released, and I think it's because it doesn't get as much return for their efforts as things like WiiFit.
What? They're releasing anywhere between 1 and 3 VC titles a week to go along with the (weekly?) WiiWare original title that comes out. For instance, Life Force just came out this week and that's a great title from the NES days. The only difference now is they don't release 3 VC titles each week because they have the WiiWare stuff. You're basically getting one less a week so they release the original stuff as well.

Rest assured, Nintendo cares very, very much about its VC titles. They make $5 to $12 a shot (well, most of that is theirs) by doing nearly no work at all. And they sell relatively well (the only stat I remember is 3.3M VC title sales as of LAST Xmas; so basically in one year). Sell 100,000 copies of SMB at $5 a shot with no more than $10k in costs and that ain't nothin' to scoff at. That's as good as selling 250,000 copies of the Classic NES series for $15 a pop if you factor in the manufacturing and other marketing/overhead costs.

They've even given you some big titles like Mario RPG, Earthbound, Sin & Punishment, SMB2, Super Metroid, Kid Icarus, Zeldas, etc. Sega's all over it with the Genesis stuff too. Even the TG-16 (Gradius 2) and Neo Geo (Magician Lord, Baseball Stars) have gotten some great titles. There's lots of big, popular, niche, unreleased, or genre-specific titles on the VC. There's basically something for everyone and a steady stream of it. Why the hell wouldn't they make you re-pay for that title (DSiWare and WiiWare are not compatible or interchangable) again?

What are you looking for in the VC? More RPGs, specifically Squeenix titles? Forget about that. They make WAAAY too much off of their remakes to even considering hurting those sales......yet. Who knows, maybe we'll see CT go up there soon since it was just remade. Same with FFIV. But I doubt it. A big part of their business plan is to milk their old stuff to offset the risks a lot of their bigger games have now since many aren't selling well

 #132825  by Kupek
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:55 pm
I read through all of the titles offered, and there's less than 30 titles that I would download for free. That's after over two years. When the only release for a week is Sonic Chaos for the Master System, and plenty of good games are still unreleased, I think it indicates lack of support.

If Nintendo cared "very, very much" about their VC titles, I'd think we'd see more of them, and of better quality.

 #132828  by Zeus
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:11 pm
Kupek wrote:I read through all of the titles offered, and there's less than 30 titles that I would download for free. That's after over two years. When the only release for a week is Sonic Chaos for the Master System, and plenty of good games are still unreleased, I think it indicates lack of support.

If Nintendo cared "very, very much" about their VC titles, I'd think we'd see more of them, and of better quality.
You mean to tell that than in your mind, there's absolutely nothing on there worth paying for? If you don't have it, SMRPG ain't worth $8? I'm the cheapest fuck on the planet who owns basically every game worth owning on those systems and I bought 2 games already.

It's not a lack of caring, it's a business choice. Nintendo doesn't want to "waste" all of the good titles in the first 2 years of the system's life, especially if you consider the VC is probably going to be around for the Wii2 and DSi and DS2. So you're definitely not going to see all of the great titles come out quickly. And they also don't necessarily want to release 10 titles a week (which they easily for can 5 years considering the libraries all those systems combined have) since the vast majority of the titles on any system ain't worth nothing and they don't want the VC to be inundated with garbage.

And they're still releasing more titles than you getting on the XBLA or PSN, much more. Suikoden for $7 is an amazing deal but how many PSX games can you even grab for the PSN? 5?

I would say there's no more than 20 "must-haves" for any system. You can't release all of them due to licensing (Goldeneye) or unwillingness from the IP owner (any Squeenix title). If you get all of them in the first 2 years, you're gonna just complain that "there's nothing good for the VC anymore" even if some "pretty good" titles come out. I'm sure there's tons of "pretty good" games on the VC you haven't even tried. Have you played one of the best games of the two generations ago in Sin & Punishment yet?

What they really need to do is follow the lead in Super Smash Bros Brawl and offer 3-4 minute or 1 level demos of the games so people can try them. I'm sure you'd find a lot more people willing to shell out $5 for Wizards and Warriors or even the $12 for Sin and Punishment. There are so many games that have come out that most people don't even know about it's crazy. If they've failed anywhere its in the fact that they don't have demos.

 #132846  by SineSwiper
 Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:29 pm
I think it's pathetic that a grand majority of Wii's VC library are games that you can play on emulator. No, I will not play SMRPG on a Wii. I can play it on my PC just fine.

Get more original games! Follow the 360's example!

 #132863  by Kupek
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:51 am
Zeus wrote:You mean to tell that than in your mind, there's absolutely nothing on there worth paying for?
No. That's not what I said. I went through the list with the question "Would I download this game for free?" in mind. That meant I was saying "yes" to games I already own and have access to, and games I was just curious about. That's an easy question to answer. It's harder to answer the question "Would I pay list price for this game?" because limited time and money get wrapped up into the answer. My total number would be much smaller, and not indicative of the quality of the games they have.

If you think the current status of the VC indicates that Nintendo is still making it a priority, then there's not much I can say to convince you otherwise. I figured the number and quality of recent releases was an obvious indicator of that.

Oh, and Sine, if I had a Wii I'd pay for some of the VC titles even though I could play them on emulators. It's just not a fun experience for me. I prefer to be on the couch, and not having to worry about technical details.

 #132869  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:26 am
Kupek wrote:
Zeus wrote:You mean to tell that than in your mind, there's absolutely nothing on there worth paying for?
No. That's not what I said. I went through the list with the question "Would I download this game for free?" in mind. That meant I was saying "yes" to games I already own and have access to, and games I was just curious about. That's an easy question to answer. It's harder to answer the question "Would I pay list price for this game?" because limited time and money get wrapped up into the answer. My total number would be much smaller, and not indicative of the quality of the games they have.

If you think the current status of the VC indicates that Nintendo is still making it a priority, then there's not much I can say to convince you otherwise. I figured the number and quality of recent releases was an obvious indicator of that.
Fair enough on the "would you buy" thing.

Again, if you were Nintendo and you cared about the VC and wanted it to be a steady revenue stream for a long time, would you release all your "good" games in the first 2 years of its life and just release the marginal stuff from then on? No chance. The number and quality of recent releases doesn't necessarily indicate they don't care just that they're Naruto-ing it and stretching it out. Just like whether you would buy or not, there are a lot of other factors other than their level of committment to the service that determines what and how many get released.

And in terms of volume, they slaughter the XBLA and PSN for releases. At least two a week between the WiiWare and VC.

 #132870  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:26 am
SineSwiper wrote:I think it's pathetic that a grand majority of Wii's VC library are games that you can play on emulator. No, I will not play SMRPG on a Wii. I can play it on my PC just fine.

Get more original games! Follow the 360's example!
They're releasing a WiiWare title every week, man.

EDIT: So Sine, volume-wise, Nintendo's still falling behind the XBLA? We're not talking about overall library since the XBLA was in full force a good year plus before the WiiWare came along, but more in the volume of the WiiWare releases now (every week).
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 #132873  by Kupek
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:43 am
Nintendo's initial strategy was to portion out the big releases so that when something like Link to the Past or Super Metroid hit the VC, it was an event. I'm not sure this is a good idea in contrast to the iTunes model of "make everything available as soon as possible," but I understand it.

The reason I think they don't care as much anymore is that they have not kept up with a steady stream of quality releases. I think that does matter, because without a steady stream of quality, people forget about it.
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 #132877  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:10 am
I've been satisfied with the VC lately. I got Phantasy Star IV and Castlevania III not too long ago, and have been playing those quite a bit lately. Before this it was Shining Force II, Mario RPG, and Secret of Mana (co-op). Mario III has sold over 1 million units in the US alone, it's also still selling very solid and is possibly my most played game (followed by DKC 2 or 3, or maybe River City Ransom).

I do have lots of fun with the VC =)

 #132889  by Kupek
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:01 pm
Regarding my original reason for even bringing up the VC, Jeremy Parish brings up a good point for why a VC for DSi probably won't come:
Jeremy the Parish wrote:While Nintendo and partners have announced a fair amount of interesting software for DSi Ware, one obvious feature remains painfully absent: a portable equivalent to Virtual Console. It's probably unreasonable to expect DSi to incorporate console emulation for NES or Genesis or whatever, because the system's native resolution (256x192) is inadequate for accurately displaying console visuals (typically 256x224, although occasionally 320x240 as well).
He goes on to argue that a store for Gameboy (Color | Advance) would work great. Being able to download GBA games would make up for not having the cartridge slot for me.

 #132890  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:10 pm
Kupek wrote:The reason I think they don't care as much anymore is that they have not kept up with a steady stream of quality releases. I think that does matter, because without a steady stream of quality, people forget about it.
Again, as a matter of opinion, I'd have to disagree. They've done a pretty good job in keeping up with the quality. Maybe it's slowed down a bit in the last 6 months, I can see that, but quality isn't always games you've played before. There could also be a number of titles you initially dismissed that weren't big name titles that could be "quality" too

Seek, do you have a list or know where I can get a list of VC titles released over the last 6 months or so? I honestly haven't been keeping close tabs on it, so I wanna see if maybe my perception is off a bit.

And i completely agree on the GBA thing. But there's tons of 32MB GBA games out there, so they may not do that 'til the DS2. The 256MB internal flash memory would get filled up QUICK otherwise.

 #132895  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:46 pm
It may just be my taste, but I feel the last 6 months have been the best so far. Most of the previous year didn't interest me much.

 #132897  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:30 pm
Kupek wrote:Nintendo has their own list of all VC games, and the current iteration of 1up's Retro Roundup has some recent releases. Back in 2006 and 2007, a version of the column kept up with releases better.
This is the list I was looking for:

http://www.vc-reviews.com/games?sort=usdate

So, since September 1, you've gotten at least 1 release a week, sometimes 2. Volume-wise, you can't really complain.

So let's look at the titles that have come out in that time that would be considered "very good" or "must haves" by most:

Mario RPG
Mega Man 2
Mario Golf
Shining Force 2
Secret of Mana
Earthworm Jim
Mega Man 3
Metal Slug 2
Sonic 2
Phantasy Star 4
Castlevania 3
Life Force

And other "pretty good" games include IMO:

Vectorman
Gradius 2
Super Turrican 2
SF2: CE
Forgotten Worlds
StarTropics 2

I won't bother talking about the OK stuff.

So, 2 very good games and 1 pretty good game a month. 3 out of 4 games have been at least "pretty good". May not be up your alley in terms of what you'd pay for, but that's a pretty fucking good release schedule that includes 4 of the best RPGs of the 16-bit era. You seriously can't complain about that.

 #132907  by Chris
 Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:11 pm
screw buying any of the sega games on there...just buy sonics ultimate genesis collection. it's like blowing your load with retro goodness

 #132916  by Flip
 Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:30 pm
Chris wrote:screw buying any of the sega games on there...just buy sonics ultimate genesis collection. it's like blowing your load with retro goodness
What does a retro load look like?

 #132918  by Chris
 Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:34 pm
Flip wrote:
Chris wrote:screw buying any of the sega games on there...just buy sonics ultimate genesis collection. it's like blowing your load with retro goodness
What does a retro load look like?
I could tell you if I had an x-box to play it on right now.....grrrrrr

 #132929  by SineSwiper
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:08 am
Or play it on a emulator. You can even use your favorite controller. Again, I don't understand this library of retro games thing, when you can get it for free. What original games are you enjoying in VC?

 #132931  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:04 am
I have two reasons:

1. Convenience.
2. Respect for the videogame industry. I'm not going to steal software that is available here.

 #132933  by Kupek
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:15 am
SineSwiper wrote:Or play it on a emulator. You can even use your favorite controller. Again, I don't understand this library of retro games thing, when you can get it for free. What original games are you enjoying in VC?
Kupek wrote:Oh, and Sine, if I had a Wii I'd pay for some of the VC titles even though I could play them on emulators. It's just not a fun experience for me. I prefer to be on the couch, and not having to worry about technical details.
Seeker's point is valid as well.

Zeus, the volume issue is tangential to this discussion. Another valid strategy is to have as many good games available as soon as possible. Nintendo has not chosen this strategy.

You're looking at the recent releases and saying "That's not bad." I'm saying it could be better, if Nintendo wanted that.

 #132935  by Flip
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:58 am
Seeker's List wrote:I have two reasons:

1. Convenience.
2. Respect for the videogame industry. I'm not going to steal software that is available here.
Ive felt this way with regards to movies and shows, too. I'd rather wait and get a show on DVD from Netflix than watch on Hulu or download a torrent.

Although, if i have the game itself on the NES or SNES, i'd rather take the time to hook it up and play than get the VC title. Something about playing it on the original controller and system gives me a good feeling, too. I know some of you, like Seek, rebuy games on the VC... is that just pure laziness to set up the NES?

 #132936  by Kupek
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:27 pm
I actually still have my SNES and sometimes use it, but my SNES is hooked up to an old 13", standard def tv in my bedroom. If you hook up old school consoles to a HD tv, the results are not good. My understanding is the Wii will output a signal that actually looks good on an HD tv.

 #132937  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:48 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Or play it on a emulator. You can even use your favorite controller. Again, I don't understand this library of retro games thing, when you can get it for free. What original games are you enjoying in VC?
Personally, I played SMB2 (the real one) for about 10 hours so far. We never got that one (it was only a portion that we got on the Lost Levels) and I'm having a blast. THat and MM9 are the games on the Wii that I downloaded (I also grabbed Bionic Commando Re-ARmed on the XBLA). If I didn't already have them, I would probably have grabbed Life Force, Mario RPG, and Sin and Punishment as well.

The argument of paying or not is the same as it is with movies. Sometimes, I just want to support what I consider to be a "good" release by giving it my money because I'd like to see more of it. MM9 and BC:RA were two games like that and The Wrestler and Sicko are two movies like that (I had those movies for weeks on my HDD before I saw them in theatres). And before you go on your "why not pay for Braid" rant, that was in protest to the pricing strategy Microshaft used. There was ZERO reason to charge the extra $5 and I won't support that kind of behaviour. Nintendo could EASILY have charged a premium for Mario RPG and Sony for Suikoden considering how much they go for on Ebay but they didn't. If Braid was $10, I would have bought it probably within the first week.

I may download a lot of stuff but I don't refuse to pay for anything just because I can download everything. That's completely counter-productive to the industry. I actually want to see more of what I like.
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 #132938  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:14 pm
Kupek wrote:
SineSwiper wrote:Or play it on a emulator. You can even use your favorite controller. Again, I don't understand this library of retro games thing, when you can get it for free. What original games are you enjoying in VC?
Kupek wrote:Oh, and Sine, if I had a Wii I'd pay for some of the VC titles even though I could play them on emulators. It's just not a fun experience for me. I prefer to be on the couch, and not having to worry about technical details.
Seeker's point is valid as well.

Zeus, the volume issue is tangential to this discussion. Another valid strategy is to have as many good games available as soon as possible. Nintendo has not chosen this strategy.

You're looking at the recent releases and saying "That's not bad." I'm saying it could be better, if Nintendo wanted that.
The only reason I mentioned volume is because you did. All I was trying to point out is in the volume category, they're slaughtering their competitors. So I was trying to move the argument away from volume and to quality since Nintendo's easily won the volume debate.

Again, it's a counter-productive business strategy to blow all your great games early on. They would be hurting their shareholders by doing that. At the end of the day, we're talking about a business still. No company would ever have chosen the strategy which is only good for the consumer and hurts them long term. So you can't bitch and say "they're giving me nothing because these 30 games which are all-time classics and my favs haven't all been released within 2 months". That's an unachievable expectation much like women who are waiting for a celibate Brad Pitt-lookalike sailor to come swoop them off of their feet and take them away to utopia before they're satisfied with the man they're with. As a scientist, I would imagine you prefer not to dwell on a fantasy.

So what I was trying to do instead was to argue against your "they don't care about their VC and aren't supporting it" and "the number of quality of recent releases was an obvious indicator of lack of caring" arguments by looking at what they've offered in the last 6 months.

I was actually shocked at how many very high quality VC titles were released. I had the impression that the VC was slowing down but after looking at that list, it's actually stronger now than it was in the beginning IMO. If you're getting 3 "pretty good" (I didn't even bother getting to the "not bad" level 'cause the "pretty good" or better more than supported my argument) or better games a month, you can't seriously complain about the lack of quality or support due to that lack.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem is you have in your mind these x number of games that you want to see and would consider paying for and you want those games.....NOW. They're the ones you want and you don't want to wait. So you're judging the release schedule against a pre-conceived notion of what is ideal without judging the releases on their own. This creates unreasonable expectations (such as with me and FF7) and is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy (you can't possible be satisfied by anything Nintendo does since you only have one unreasonable path to that satisfaction).

Another factor you also alluded to: your lack of time and funds. I'm sure you have very little spare time and coin while you're going through your studies so tossing down $5 or $10 on anything but the very premium VC titles and ones you have played before and remember fondly isn't really a likelihood either. That's perfectly understandable and no one's blaming you for it but at the same time, it's unfairly skewing your perception on this matter. You've only heard people talk about Sin and Punishment and how great it is but have never played it yourself so aren't really keen on dropping $12 (particularly when you can get a copy of a CT cartridge for $30 :-) since it's too much of a risk. Same with $8 on Gradius 2 or Phantasy Star 4. But that in no way correlates to their quality or Nintendo's support level for the VC. They've done a great job not only giving us quality but also a decent selection of previously unreleased titles and great stuff within all genres too.

All I'm saying is from what you've argued so far, it seems that uncontrollable factors (an unreasonable expectation and lack of time/funds) and have skewed your view on the VC and Nintendo's dedication to it. Like I said, I was actually shocked at how strong the releases have been since September 1. There's been quite strong releases nearly every week.

 #132939  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:27 pm
Flip wrote:
Seeker's List wrote:I have two reasons:

1. Convenience.
2. Respect for the videogame industry. I'm not going to steal software that is available here.
Ive felt this way with regards to movies and shows, too. I'd rather wait and get a show on DVD from Netflix than watch on Hulu or download a torrent.

Although, if i have the game itself on the NES or SNES, i'd rather take the time to hook it up and play than get the VC title. Something about playing it on the original controller and system gives me a good feeling, too. I know some of you, like Seek, rebuy games on the VC... is that just pure laziness to set up the NES?
The one reason Seek has is great (respect) but the whole "convenience" argument is a bit sketchy. I agree with Flip, if you already own it and are just too lazy to pull out your system, that's silly. If, say, your SNES or NES don't work or you're at school and they're 500km away, I can see that. A NES looks fine on an HD TV, we had one hooked up last weekend whlie we beat Mega Man 4 (took 3 1/2 hours; I'm going through all of the MM games for a couple of my buds and a cuz who have never seen them beaten).

 #132942  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:48 pm
To be a little more specific on convenience: The VC has save state. I also don't have to worry about worn out controllers and unreliable old hardware (my nes, sms, and snes barely functioned last time I used either), or old games and systems cluttering my living room.
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 #132943  by bovine
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:01 pm
yeah, having all those systems is one thing..... but having enough power outlets t support them all is another. Look at those giant NES and SNES plugs, they make power bars cry.

 #132944  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:33 pm
bovine wrote:yeah, having all those systems is one thing..... but having enough power outlets t support them all is another. Look at those giant NES and SNES plugs, they make power bars cry.
Well, you only ever have one of them on the same time so you can plug in 20 into one power bar (using the 6-time splitters and extension cords) and it won't matter. Besides, how hard is it to just connect it the one time a month you'll likely use it?

The Save State thing is an OK argument but I find that to be a little lazy too. Most games have a code or battery or don't really need it.

 #132945  by Kupek
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:44 pm
Convenience has value. That is, I'm sometimes willing to pay to save myself time and effort. I don't understand why you all denigrate that as "lazyness."

Everything else you said, Zeus, deserves a response and I'll get to it soon. But now, I code.

 #132946  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:14 pm
A lot of long nes titles had no saving (SMB3 for example). Save batteries were very unreliable; codes were time consuming; and most times I only want to play a game for 5-15 minutes at a time (that's all I ever play with the old Castlevanias for example).

 #132949  by SineSwiper
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:31 pm
Seeker's List wrote:I have two reasons:

1. Convenience.
2. Respect for the videogame industry. I'm not going to steal software that is available here.
Really? Respect? They don't respect you back. They sell those retro game packs to make money, with virtually no investment at all. And you eat it up, like heroine addict.

I don't mind when Steam gives out some deal on a bunch of retro games, but they are cheap. These VC games are not cheap. They are $10 a pop. Is your convenience worth $10 a game?

And let's be honest here: just how many people actually spend a lot of time playing through these retro games? I started playing XCOM: Terror from the Deep today. I remember that it was a great strategy game, and Steam had a good deal on it a long time ago. So, I installed and played it. However, I forgot how fucking hard it was, the controls are clunky, and the graphics have not aged well at all. In the end, I probably won't really play much of it.

 #132956  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:08 pm
Kupek wrote:Convenience has value. That is, I'm sometimes willing to pay to save myself time and effort. I don't understand why you all denigrate that as "lazyness."

Everything else you said, Zeus, deserves a response and I'll get to it soon. But now, I code.
Probably because I likely have to go through more hell than anyone to get out my old games and I do it all the time. They're all in differing degrees of buried within this large closet of mine and I'm more than willing to dig it up. Also, because if you think about it, it actually is laziness. You're willing to pay $5+ for a game you already own when it only takes you 5-10 minutes to just set up the one you already have. And the argument "but my 5-10 minutes is worth $5" only holds water if you spend every single minute of your day doing something more productive. I seriously doubt that anyone here can't take 5-10 minutes of their hectic spare time schedule to get something out of the closet. There are possibilities where this purchase makes sense as I indicated above, but more likely than not, I believe it's due to sheer laziness (note the correct spelling; looks like we'll have to teach the PhD student how to spell or use a spell checker :-).

Take your time, Kup. I'll look for the response whenever you get a chance to get to it.

 #132957  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:10 pm
Fucking double post

 #132959  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:29 pm
Sine: Actually, I've only spent higher than 8 dollars on a VC game once, Sin and Punishment. Secondly, if I didn't respect the game development companies, I wouldn't be playing their games. Third, I play them fairly frequently, and enjoy a challenging original Castlevania series game much more so than any of the newer ones.