Here's the final design for the Nintendo DS

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm? ... id=5472</a>

Here's the final design for the Nintendo DS</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>That looks very smooth. I just hope they don't try to force us to buy the DS and whatever the GC's successor is together to get "maximum play" or whatever.</div>

[Lox]

<div style='font: bold 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Freaking monkey poop that looks so good, I'm gonna want one. Blast!</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Of course they will, it is Nintendo, they are money sucking whores.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Probably not, the only game I can recall that ever did that was Perfect Dark with the ram expansion.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I think only the colour scheme has changed since E3. The thing plays pretty good, like a GBA SP with two screens. I actually thought it fit better in my hands since it's wider. Everything will depend on how good they use the touch-screen. Wario Ware, Metriod, and Pac-Man Pics were awesome</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>There will almost for sure be link-ups, just like the PSP is supposed to link up to the PS3. The GBA-GC thing is just the start.....</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Majora's Mask?</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>As opposed to Sony and Microsoft, which always have the consumer's best interest in mind?</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It was required to play Majora's Mask. Plus I think it came with that game, I don't know, I had two of them for some reason, and I didn't buy either one, they came packed in games.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/534/534 ... l">here</a>

Guess a little more has changed, but it's basically the same</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I think I like the old design better, if they put the speakers in the top part like they did on the new one. The old one looks like something Sega would design.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The new one is much sleeker looking, much more modern, it'll be much more popular with the 18-34 crowd</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Came with Majora's and DK64</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Sony and Microsoft didn't charge $70 per cartidge. I said this once, and I'll say it again: Chrono Trigger: $65, FF7: $45</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>What's wrong with Sega's design? They made the BEST controller in the 32-bit world (wow...a D-Pad!), and they made the BEST console in the 64-bit one (four ports, built-in swappable modem, comes with web browser).</div>

[the Gray]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm replaying Record of Lodoss War on the DC right now.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Errr that DC D-Pad was kinda funny. PSX controller's been the best for a while, that's why they didn't change it. If it ain't broke....</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>That's because the catridge cost more to make than the CD. They have to charge more to get a profit.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I still think the Dreamcast is the nicest looking system ever made and it would most certainly be my system of choice if it wasn't for Sega getting screwed over by piracy; cutting the life of their system down by about 3 years.

Anyways, I was refering to the Gamegear mainly, I actually have my gamegear right here, I pick it up now and then to play. The design of the old DS looked a lot like what I would imagine the Gamegear 2 would look like.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>I think the worst marketed non-Sega add-on ever was the Pocketstation. They just made it to have it, nothing in it was of any value.</div>

[Gentz]

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>The price of a cartridge is dependent on the size of the game because storage space is so valuable. Tales of Phantasia retailed at around $85, but that's because it was a 48MB (!) SNES cartridge.</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>Sony just gave me a game that has 8 maga mans on it. Nintendo is selling GBA cartridges with one classic game when they could easily fit 2 or 3.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, Capcom did, and it's also available for the GC</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Completely different business model, just like Phantasy Star 4 being $100 US when it came out</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>And you critisize me for not knowing about stupid comic book companies especially when I don't give a crap about comic books. Megaman is made by Capcom, not Sony. Also the Megaman Anniversary Collection for GBA has 5 classic games on it, not 1.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Microsoft and Sony didn't use cartridges,</div>

[Don]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Nintendo makes the cartridge too and they want to make money on the carts, which is why they stick with carts instead of going CD (since everyone can make CDs)</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>hmm, ok, well that was a terrible example, but what point are you trying to make? You think Nintendo doesnt squeeze every last penny from its fans?</div>

[Flip]

<div style='font: 10pt Tahoma; text-align: left; '>hmm, ok, well that was a terrible example, i'll go hide under a rock now.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>I doubt they got a profit on making the carts themselves. The N64 was cart based for design reasons according to everything I've read.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>But Midway also released a kick-ass collection of it's 80's arcade games on the Midway Arcade Classics collection for PS2 and GC. That's the best compilation every next to the MM games. Basically all the classic arcade games on one disc (Rampage, Defender, Dig Dug, Smash TV, etc)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No entirely. It's actually better on the handhelds to have carts due to less load times, size, and battery life (the latter being a key buying point). Besides, CDs are going to be obsolete soon with the advent of huge memory sticks (with 256 MB the norm now, which is why the DS can take them)</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, they make a KILLING on the carts, that's why Yamauchi insisted on sticking to them for the N64 when everyone knew it was going to CDs. That's one of the things that hurt the N64, the high royalties-per-game ($33 vs about $15 for CDs, making it a much more expensive proposition to make N64 games)</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Do you have any sources for that? (That they made more of a profit on a game because it was a cart.)</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>It was fairly common knowledge dude.</div>

[Kupek]

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Not to me. I know that the cartridges were more expensive, but I never heard that Nintendo made a profit off of them.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'll see if I can dig up my EGM that had that. It was back a couple of years into the N64/PSX days, they wrote up a whole article. I'm sure you can find something on the 'Net about journalists bitching at Nintendo for stickin' to carts to make money (and for better control). If I find one, I'll post</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>They announced earlier (I forget if it was a DS or GBA announcement) that it only cost them a few cents to manufacture the carts due to neewer technology.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>Uhhh, yes, I know. You missed my point.</div>

[SineSwiper]

<div style='font: 10pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light", "Century Gothic"; text-align: left; '>PSX's default controller was HORRIBLE! It was basically four buttons for directions. I always bought a MadCatz controller and threw the old one in the garbage.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Wasn't your point that Sony and Microsoft didn't charge 70 bucks per cartridge? But either way, the Xbox came out after the use of cartridges in game consoles was finished.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Actually I didn't have any problems with it. It's perfectly fine for RPG's and such. The only control pad I ever had problems with was the original NES one.</div>

[Eric]

<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>Online play, I can dig that, it's cool to play with random ppl accross the country to test your skill. Hooking up $200-300 systems to add 2 or 3 features just pisses me off.</div>

[Julius Seeker]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Check some of the old IGN archives, I'm almost positive I read a story about it there years ago.</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>That's the problem with the online sites, you have to pay to see the archival stuff</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>If I'm not mistaken, the 'Cube controller has a D-Pad (I used it all the time for the Mega Man Collection)</div>

[Derithian]

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>yeah it has a d-pad....if you can call it that. hell it's so small you'd have to have the hands of a 2 year old to use it</div>

[Zeus]

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Some of us aren't sasquatches :-)</div>