The Shrine

From Magicbox:

- Epyx announced Commodore 64 will be added to Wii's Virtual Console, the first batch of Commodore 64 titles for Wii will be Impossible Mission 1 & 2, Winter Games, Summer Games 1 & 2, Pitstop and Jumpman Junior.

Now this fucking rules! I'd love to see them get other older gaming platforms like Atari and Amiga as well (and the other Sega platforms, especially Saturn)

I loved Sid Meier's Pirates back on the Commodore 64. That game was the coolest shit on the planet back when I was 4 =P

Just don't see the appeal when I could play these right now if I wanted to...

kali o. wrote:Just don't see the appeal when I could play these right now if I wanted to...

It's for those who don't have the easy access to the games (ie. don't know how to do emulation), think it's piracy to play them on the PC (ie. actually believe in copyright laws as written, unlike us here :-), or who like to be in a more comfy place when playing games (ie. couch vs computer chair). And when they're going to be $5 or less (can't imagine them costing as much as NES games), all you have to do is sacrifice a coffee at Starbucks (or 3 at Tim Hortons) to play it, so the cost is basically negligible.

So, big appeal to those not into emulation and very negligible cost to those who are.

Ummm...the better question is WHY I would want to play decade+ old games.

Is this generation all about shitty gems from the past? And I find the fact that Nintendo is championing this silly cause more than anyone else to be laughable at best (after all, if games were so desperately needing a new control method, why is half your game library hanging off oldies nuts?).

Emulation, Repackaged Comps and backwards compatibility (at least hardware) is bad for the industry and each gen.

Seeing things like White Knight Story, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc, etc. on the PS3/360 and then seeing pieces of crap like Red Steel, Far Cry and a touched up GC game like Zelda on the Wii really makes me wonder why the hell any of you are excited about the Wii. Underpowered, undersupported and relying on a library 10+ years old...the Wii sure isn't the "next gen" I have in mind.

but you get to wave the controller around.

kali o. wrote:Ummm...the better question is WHY I would want to play decade+ old games.

Is this generation all about shitty gems from the past? And I find the fact that Nintendo is championing this silly cause more than anyone else to be laughable at best (after all, if games were so desperately needing a new control method, why is half your game library hanging off oldies nuts?).

Emulation, Repackaged Comps and backwards compatibility (at least hardware) is bad for the industry and each gen.

Seeing things like White Knight Story, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc, etc. on the PS3/360 and then seeing pieces of crap like Red Steel, Far Cry and a touched up GC game like Zelda on the Wii really makes me wonder why the hell any of you are excited about the Wii. Underpowered, undersupported and relying on a library 10+ years old...the Wii sure isn't the "next gen" I have in mind.

I think it is absolutely hillarious how the person most concerned about this is the one who has stated time and time again that the Wii is a system he is not getting.

Also, there is nothing wrong with old games, I find a lot of them much more fun than anything I ever played on Xbox.

Flip wrote:but you get to wave the controller around.

NYou are mistaken, that would be the function included with the PS3 controller. The Wii controller uses a pointer which interacts with games and other software. Top developers all over the place are praising how immersive games developed for the Wii console feel. PS3 is not getting this same kind of praise, all PS3 did was make a very lame attempt at copying Nintendo. Copying the controllers of other companies has got Sony in trouble before, it is the reason why the PS3 controllers now lack a standard design feature; force feedback.

It's simple Kali, we're excited by the Wii because we are interrested in innovated gameplay and a couple bells and whistles, pure and simple.

You, on the other hand, are a graphics whore (nothing wrong with that, we all play games for our own reasons). You rate progress based on how pretty the games look. I'm not saying I don't like a good looking game (I will most likely get a PS3 sometime down the road), but I don't mind trying something new, especially when it won't cost me much. Maybe I'm a sucker for gimmicks, but from what I've seen, it looks like the Wii gimmicks might be worth a try.

The Wii just isn't for you, that's all.

It's easy to say graphics aren't important when your console happens to have the least firepower.

Oh graphics can be important. Though compare Myst 3 to Terranigma and you'll see why it is gameplay that is key.

Don, again, I never claimed graphics aren't important. They just aren't the only factor I consider when I look at a game.

Trust me, White Knight Story has me itchin to get a PS3, and for all I know the gameplay will be weak and derivative (actually I know it will be, it's an RPG ;p)

Are you saying Terranigma didn't look good? That's like saying Skies of Arcadia didn't have one of the best overworld maps just because stuff come out later had more polygons. Clearly they're not trying to make a great looking world to explore because it's the gameplay that counts. Oh wait, the gameplay in Skies of Arcadia is actually pretty weak. If the world didn't look as good as it did, it'd have been strictly a medicore RPG.

Oracle wrote:It's simple Kali, we're excited by the Wii because we are interrested in innovated gameplay and a couple bells and whistles, pure and simple.

You, on the other hand, are a graphics whore (nothing wrong with that, we all play games for our own reasons). You rate progress based on how pretty the games look. I'm not saying I don't like a good looking game (I will most likely get a PS3 sometime down the road), but I don't mind trying something new, especially when it won't cost me much. Maybe I'm a sucker for gimmicks, but from what I've seen, it looks like the Wii gimmicks might be worth a try.

The Wii just isn't for you, that's all.

I wouldn't call me a "graphics whore" though I wouldn't have 2 HDTVs if I didn't like pretty things. There are more important aspects that beefy specs bring than graphics, namely: AI, physics, audio (Wii is only PL?!), amount of interaction/enemies on screen, etc, etc - all of which are absolutely integral to not only gameplay, but evolution of gameplay. Pretty graphics are just the gravvy (and ya, I expect a graphic leap each gen - don't you? You should for 250+ bones).

You are right though, the Wii just isn't for me...but that shouldn't stop me from wondering just why the hell the Wii is for you. I mean, when I see someone say "Omg yes, 10 year old ass ugly games that aren't nearly as fun or deep as I remember are available on a next gen system for a fee when I could just get them for free anyway. omgosh happy joy nextGen11!"...then yeah, I shake my head and wonder aloud what the hell people are excited for.

Trolling? Slightly. More just genuine shock and annoyance, lol.

kali o. wrote:(and ya, I expect a graphic leap each gen - don't you? You should for 250+ bones).

I've seen the 360 in HD before. All I can think of to explain my opinion is *yawn*. Granted we're at the beginning of it's life cycle and later games are sure to look better, so I'll hold off until then. So my question to you is, I would expect a much better graphic leap this gen for $400 then the 360 is providing, don't you? Personally, I wouldn't be satisfied with a system that costs that much with output I consider to be only marginally better and with zero games I am excited to play. If you're happy with the games available for the 360 and all that, more power to you. I have a few friends with a 360 and they love it, but it doesn't have enough to offer me right now.

In the meantime, I'll gladly pay $250 for a system with gameplay I expect to be different and fun and with games I am garaunteed to enjoy. I only get to play maybe 4-5 games a year. If they're all 1st party Nintendo games, so be it.

Don Wang wrote:Are you saying Terranigma didn't look good? That's like saying Skies of Arcadia didn't have one of the best overworld maps just because stuff come out later had more polygons. Clearly they're not trying to make a great looking world to explore because it's the gameplay that counts. Oh wait, the gameplay in Skies of Arcadia is actually pretty weak. If the world didn't look as good as it did, it'd have been strictly a medicore RPG.

What? Even if I don't agree with Kali's opinion, I can at least understand what the heck he's talking about. 2 posts from you and neither have made very much sense, Don.

Lox wrote:

kali o. wrote:(and ya, I expect a graphic leap each gen - don't you? You should for 250+ bones).

I've seen the 360 in HD before. All I can think of to explain my opinion is *yawn*. Granted we're at the beginning of it's life cycle and later games are sure to look better, so I'll hold off until then. So my question to you is, I would expect a much better graphic leap this gen for $400 then the 360 is providing, don't you?

I'd say ya need yer eyes checked In absolute no way to discount your opinion, if you have seen a non-EA 360 game (or hell, any HD DVD or BR video) on a properly calibrated, non-POS HDTV, there is no way you would be *yawn*ing.

I promise you...the difference is pretty damn close to that of watching Saving Private Ryan on your TVs speakers, then switching to a real quality surround set up. If you don't say "Wow", something is seriously wrong with you.

You are entitled to your opinion...but it is pretty flawed for some reason (maybe your friends have shitty HDTVs?).

And I'm not implying you need an HDTV (because you don't, and PS3/360 games are still looking far better than Wii offerings. Go look at COD3 progress), I'm just taking issue with your specific comment.

System wars? How old are we?

I'm excited for the Wii, but in a different way than I'm excited for future 360 and PS3 stuff (tangent: HOLY SHIT, BIOSHOCK). I think Nintendo has earned some good faith through the success of the DS, which in its fat form at least was technically inferior in every way (other than price) to the PSP. I expect to have a lot of fun with Wii stuff appropriate to the system (ie, not Fary Cry, FFS, which looks unbearably awful).

On-topic: Commodore 64 games, awesome! I haven't played the Last Ninja since I was 12, and would happily put down a few bucks to ruin my childhood memories of it.

Just don't see the appeal when I could play these right now if I wanted to...

Shows how far out of the loop I am when the first thing I thought was, "Jesus, who has a C64 lying around? And can be bothered loading and waiting for tapes!" Heh.

I'm not a fan of PC emulation. Aside from feeling slightly morally compromised doing so, I just hate playing console games on a PC.

Is this generation all about shitty gems from the past?

Nah, but it's great value-add. As long as that's all it's considered as I don't see the harm.

Don Wang wrote:It's easy to say graphics aren't important when your console happens to have the least firepower.

It's easy to say graphics, although beautiful, rank far behind gameplay, the entire reason you play games to begin with. Look how many people here enjoy the handheld games, which are back to SNES to PSX days in graphics. I love great graphics as much as the next person, but it has never and shall never be the reason to buy a game.

The whole graphics vs gameplay is championed by both sides; Nintendo fans champion gameplay 'cause their graphics aren't as good and the Sony/Microshaft fans champion graphics over gameplay 'cause even they know that the gameplay in Nintendo games is superior. Not type of gameplay, but quality is what we're talkng about here. Even you, the most vocal Nintendo-hater here, can't argue that one.

It depends what you like. I happen to like depth in gameplay over substance in graphics, hence my preference for Nintendo's products. But I always keep the other systems around 'cause you do get great, not-very-deep games on them or the occasional brilliant depth game (like Guitar Hero or Shadow of the Colossus). But if you're a graphics whore, fine, it's your call.

kali o. wrote:And I'm not implying you need an HDTV (because you don't, and PS3/360 games are still looking far better than Wii offerings. Go look at COD3 progress), I'm just taking issue with your specific comment.

To have a real noticable difference in graphics, you need an HDTV hookup for the 360 over the GC/Xbox. When the 360 first came out, I saw PGR3 on a non-HD TV and it looked only slightly better than PGR2. I didn't really notice the difference until I saw it on an HDTV.

And that's where the issue lies with the graphics. This generation's big leap was the clean, crisp, fast graphics. Next generation is going to be about volume (ie. 50 zombies coming after you in Dead Rising vs 5 in RE4) not graphical leap. Yeah, the graphics are going to be crisper and nicer, but it won't be near the leap from N64/PSX to PS2/GC/Xbox AND you need an HDTV to really notice the big jump in quality, so it's not going to be a selling point to a large number of gamers. Nintendo is banking on this by saying "3x GC graphics is good enough, now come here for a REAL difference".

Zeus wrote:Nintendo fans champion gameplay 'cause their graphics aren't as good and the Sony/Microshaft fans champion graphics over gameplay 'cause even they know that the gameplay in Nintendo games is superior. Not type of gameplay, but quality is what we're talkng about here. Even you, the most vocal Nintendo-hater here, can't argue that one.

Gah, the sad thing is you actually believe that. Yes, PS3/360 fans are all graphic whores who don't care about "gameplay" (whatever the fuck that means). Nintendo OWNS gameplay man...

Sheesh. You can have both, believe it or not. Also, as may surprise you, alot of people DON'T like Nintendo games because of their simplistic "gameplay"...afterall, Nintendo's fanbase has been steadily dropping for 3 generations now. Maybe that says something huh?

As I've said countless times before, I don't care if you think Nintendo is the best - but to hear you try to state bullshit like above as fact definately deserves a response.

And PS - you only have to look as far as FarCry or COD3 to see "3x GC graphics" is a load of shit.

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Zeus wrote:Nintendo is banking on this by saying "3x GC graphics is good enough, now come here for a REAL difference".

And what is the REAL difference? The last gen graphics? The Wiimote which will likely be more a hinderance to 3rd party support and ports than it will benefit control? The, once again, smallest level of 3rd party support? The 480p cap (which requires a purchase of an obsolete EDTV anyway)? The prologic emulation for audio? The $50+ dollar cheaper price tag that didn't help them last gen? The fact that you can check the weather? Maybe it's the Nintendo "gameplay©" that has been steadily losing consumer support over the last 10 years? Or I guess it's the library of old and forgotten games? Or the best reason, the Nintendo DS sold great so the Wii will too (psst, check out handheld sales since the Gameboy launched)?

Don't throw ridiculous, regurgitated fanboy drivel at me if you really want to sell your point - I've heard it before and I know exactly how baseless it is. So do you...I hope.

The Seeker wrote:I think it is absolutely hillarious how the person most concerned about this is the one who has stated time and time again that the Wii is a system he is not getting.

Oh come on Seek, you're been spitting Nintendo propaganda on these boards for the past 8 years. We all know your agenda at this point. >_>

It's no more hilarious as you finding this as another point for buying the system you probably had intentions of buying 2 years before it was even announced.

Kali:

Sony/Xbox fans are as much graphics whores as Nintendo fans are fanboys. The entire point of that post was to show the stereotype fans of each have for the others not for me to call all Sony/Xbox fans graphic whores. Sorry to disappoint you.

Yeah, NO ONE wants old games anymore. I don't know what the fuck those 2 million idiots worldwide were smoking when they bought the GBA version of Super Mario Bros. Fucking morons.

Gameplay, IMO, is the variety, depth, and quality (ie. does the game react well to your input and is the gameplay useful to the game itself?) in the game playing experience in a video game. A new genre or genre changing game will, obviously, get a little more slack since it's introducing a new type of gameplay we haven't seen before, thereby socring big points in variety. If you're just doing the same thing over and over again just in a different pattern or order (like most GTA-clones or FPSs), then the gameplay gets stale and not so interesting. I have been complaining about this since the early days of the current generation and why I haven't really had a reason to get a 360.

And I'm a huge Mega Man fan, so it's not like I'm opposed to the same gameplay over and over, but when that's all you have, it gets stale very quick. But, one of the things that series has done recently is actually introduce new elements to the tired-and-true gameplay we grew up with, so it's revitalized it a little. I like to have both old and new gameplay mixed and really, Nintendo provides that good mix that the others often fall behind in on their systems while doing it with quality.

So, when you get a game like Wario Ware or Shadow of the Colossus (OH MY GOD! ZEUS IS ACTUALLY PRAISING A NON-NINTENDO GAME?!? THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE! WTF?!?) which not only adds a whack of new gameplay elements to old genres or even introduces stuff we haven't seen before, they become some of the highest-quality games.

But what you can't argue, unless you're a true one-sided fan, is the quality of Nintendo's gameplay over the years. They have, consistently, put out the greatest quality of games. Developers in other companies, if you actually read their comments, will even tell you that. So far, only you and Don have argued this point and, really, it's as baseless as me saying that Nintendo is the only one who are going to provide a REAL difference. BTW, re-read that post and you'll see that was me putting in my words Nintendo's position, not championing it; some of us aren't, contrary to popular belief, fanboys of only one side (I own less games for my N64 and GC than for their respective rivals), it's just a personal preference due to past experiences. But, since we have a couple of loud Sony/Xbox bitches here who constantly are slamming them with old, baseless arguments, I have to defend them relatively regularly. If you actually pay attention to what I write, you'll see that I have criticized them, particularly early on with both the Wii and DS, almost as much as I have praised them. But part of being a true fanboy is only seeing what you want to see.

And one last point on XBLA/Virtual Console. The reason people like the old stuff is a) nostalgia, b) familiarity, and c) simplicity. Look at all of the best-selling games, they're all rather simple. There are a TON of one-time gamers who don't play anymore 'cause games are too complicated nowadays. That's a fact I learned when I had my store. Again, Nintendo is hoping to capitalize on that with the Wii. I don't necessarily agree with the way they're doing it, but that's their idea.

Eric wrote:

The Seeker wrote:I think it is absolutely hillarious how the person most concerned about this is the one who has stated time and time again that the Wii is a system he is not getting.

Oh come on Seek, you're been spitting Nintendo propaganda on these boards for the past 8 years. We all know your agenda at this point. >_>

It's no more hilarious as you finding this as another point for buying the system you probably had intentions of buying 2 years before it was even announced.

Eric, what do you think you are talking about? That's a dumb argument you have there. There is nothing wrong with talking about the games and systems we like, everyone on this board, including you, has been doing it for 8+ years as well; as does mostly everyone else who posts on gaming messageboards in general. Yet talking more about systems and games you don't want to buy much more than those that you do want to buy is hillarious, why? Because it doesn't make any sense why someone would do that.

kali o. wrote:The, once again, smallest level of 3rd party support?

Wow, for a system with such a small level of third party support, I would say that 45 games, so far, in the launch window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Confir ... nch_titles), and over 200 announced titles(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games), is quite an achievement. I mean, Xbox 360 has already been out for a year, and the number of games released and announced for the future does not seem to be any higher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games); not to mention it only had 18 titles within the launch window. It seems to me in light of this that Wii actually has considerably more developer support than the Xbox 360. Oh wait, I am sorry, Xbox 360 is the system you like isn't it? =P

Zeus wrote:Kali:

Sony/Xbox fans are as much graphics whores as Nintendo fans are fanboys.

I actually very much disagree with this statement, as has been seen, a lot of Sony's most avid fans are quite dissapointed with the direction Sony has taken with the PS3; particularly considering that Sony won its fanbase on having the cheapest prices and wide availability of games. I think a lot of them are going to hold onto the PS2 for awhile and see how things go with the next generation before making a choice on it. There is evidence of this on our own messageboard. Bottom line: I don't think Sony fans are graphics whores.

The Seeker wrote: Wow, for a system with such a small level of third party support, I would say that 45 games, so far, in the launch window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Confir ... nch_titles), and over 200 announced titles(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games), is quite an achievement. I mean, Xbox 360 has already been out for a year, and the number of games released and announced for the future does not seem to be any higher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games); not to mention it only had 18 titles within the launch window. It seems to me in light of this that Wii actually has considerably more developer support than the Xbox 360. Oh wait, I am sorry, Xbox 360 is the system you like isn't it? =P

If you like, I could show you that the Wii has the LEAST 3rd party/game support at the moment (it actually goes 360>PS3>then Wii by a large margain behind). Of course, if I do that it would take some work...so if you want me to actually take the time to do this, make it worth my while. I dunno, offer up a game to back up your opinion. Or, howabout something non-monetary, if you are wrong you aren't aloud to discuss anything Nintendo related here for a year

So, you man enough to back up your statements big guy or are you content just throwing unsupported claims to the wind?

The Seeker wrote:

Zeus wrote:Kali:

Sony/Xbox fans are as much graphics whores as Nintendo fans are fanboys.

I actually very much disagree with this statement

Me too

kali o. wrote:...it actually goes 360>PS3>then Wii by a large margain behind...

kali o. wrote:So, you man enough to back up your statements big guy or are you content just throwing unsupported claims to the wind?

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Andrew, Killer Bee wrote: ...

I know because I checked a little over a month ago outta curiosity, I just never bothered to save my work.

Therefore, I have cause to know Seekers statement is just more of the "fanboy BS" I alluded to earlier.

So if you really doubt my assertion and agree with Seeker based on some fact/info you seem to have picked up and are not just attempting an entirely flawed and misplaced "pot/kettle" comparison, then speak up. Go ahead, say so - none of that "ar har har, I'm so clever so '.......'" bullshit. Add your opinion to the mix and back up your belief (I'm sure we can fit in a side bet here).

I'm loving my 360 so far. And I'd agree that anybody who sees the games running on an HDTV and is not impressed is seriously in denial. I picked up a 40" Samsung LCD HDTV and a 360 about a month ago and it's hard for me to look at anything else. PGR3 looks tight, NHL 07 looks pretty nice, and Dead Rising is incredibly clean looking (especially the cut scenes). The video of DOAX2 is amazing.

Bring on Mass Effect and Bioshock.

As far as online goes, the 360's got that department on lock. Downloadable demos and videos for almost every game is a godsend.

Not to say I won't eventually buy the Wii or PS3, but since owning a 360 my opinion of it has skyrocketed.

You're not alone now, Kali.

kali o. wrote:So if you really doubt my assertion and agree with Seeker based on some fact/info you seem to have picked up and are not just attempting an entirely flawed and misplaced "pot/kettle" comparison, then speak up.

I doubt your assertion because you, like Seeker, have provided no evidence proving it. I have no idea which of the systems has the widest third-party support (although I would be surprised if the PS3's fell behind the 360's), so I'm not going to try to argue any particular way; I just find your furious browbeating obnoxious.

Yay, not alone... but my battle against Seeker and Zeus shall never end...

Maybe Sine can reopen Ruminations and call all men "shallow pigs" or something so I can finally rant about something else

I almost passed on Dead Rising (the demo didn't impress me), but I happened to rent it on a whim and was amazed by how good it was. Between that and NHL07, I'm pretty covered for a while. I have my eyes on SC:DA, Gears of War, Star Trek:Legacy and Viva Pinata - all which come out soon. I'm pretty stoked for Mass Effect, but I just can't see it making the Holiday window...hope I'm wrong though.

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote: I doubt your assertion because you, like Seeker, have provided no evidence proving it. I have no idea which of the systems has the widest third-party support (although I would be surprised if the PS3's fell behind the 360's), so I'm not going to try to argue any particular way; I just find your furious browbeating obnoxious.

Yeah, and I found your failed attempt at wit with a misplaced "pot/kettle" allusion equally "obnoxious"...so? I am pretty positive my opinion of your antics is as equally worthless to you as your babbling is to me - so why share it? Let's both save bandwidth, no one cares kiddo.

Black Lotus wrote:I'm loving my 360 so far. And I'd agree that anybody who sees the games running on an HDTV and is not impressed is seriously in denial.

Screw you, Lotus. De Nile is only a river in Egypt to me. heh

It's not that I'm denying that the graphics are better than before or that they're very nice to look at. I guess that for $400 of my hard-earned money (ok, maybe not hard-earned!), I had higher expectations which led to my being let down. I also have trouble being awe struck by pretty graphics for games that I have 0% interest in, thus the *yawn*. Get MS to put out some titles that I want and maybe I'll be a little more impressed with what that hardware can do in HD. All I can say is that the lineup of games currently available and coming out soon for the 360, even in HD, are not impressing me. They just don't look like games that I "have to buy." The Wii is offering me some solid titles that I know will provide just that whether the graphics are as nice or not. I'm not sure how to be clearer than that. Games I want = Buy sytem, No Games I want = Don't buy system.

Now, I will easily admit that my next system after the Wii is 99% gauranteed to be a 360. I know that there are some titles coming out in the next 2 years that I will want to own, especially if Square Enix were to jump the KH ship to the 360. So don't be surprised if I purchase one down the line. It's just not offering me enough for $400 at the moment.

kali o. wrote: So, you man enough to back up your statements big guy or are you content just throwing unsupported claims to the wind?

Ummm, I did back up my statements with links, are you blind? =P

Lox wrote: Now, I will easily admit that my next system after the Wii is 99% gauranteed to be a 360.

Really? I am actually thinking of getting a PS3 as my next system, in 2008 holiday season and not a PS3 junio- errrr, Xbox 360. I am doing this for absolutely no other purpose but to piss Kali off.


Nah, I'm joking, it all depends, I might just find someone who owns an Xbox 360, and borrow it with Assassin's Creed. I will eventually get all three systems and continue my purchasing trend. I have every system released by Sega, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft at this point in time; well, except the 360, that is for the future.

Lox wrote:

Black Lotus wrote:I'm loving my 360 so far. And I'd agree that anybody who sees the games running on an HDTV and is not impressed is seriously in denial.

Screw you, Lotus. De Nile is only a river in Egypt to me. heh

It's not that I'm denying that the graphics are better than before or that they're very nice to look at. I guess that for $400 of my hard-earned money (ok, maybe not hard-earned!), I had higher expectations which led to my being let down. I also have trouble being awe struck by pretty graphics for games that I have 0% interest in, thus the *yawn*. Get MS to put out some titles that I want and maybe I'll be a little more impressed with what that hardware can do in HD. All I can say is that the lineup of games currently available and coming out soon for the 360, even in HD, are not impressing me. They just don't look like games that I "have to buy." The Wii is offering me some solid titles that I know will provide just that whether the graphics are as nice or not. I'm not sure how to be clearer than that. Games I want = Buy sytem, No Games I want = Don't buy system.

Now, I will easily admit that my next system after the Wii is 99% gauranteed to be a 360. I know that there are some titles coming out in the next 2 years that I will want to own, especially if Square Enix were to jump the KH ship to the 360. So don't be surprised if I purchase one down the line. It's just not offering me enough for $400 at the moment.

Pretty much exactly where I stand. I will eventually get all of the systems, the 360 hopefully within a year, year and a half but the PS3 with its price point not for at least 2 1/2 years after launch. But nothing right now on the 360 to make me say "buy me NOW", but Halo 3 may change my mind. It has always and shall always be about the games I want to play driving me to get a system. That's why I waited a year to get the DS, it took that long before enough games came out that I really wanted to play and the GBA was doing me fine. MGS4 is going to be hard to resist but the super-high price point will be the major deterrent on the PS3.

And with the great games coming out for both the DS and PSP as well as some older GC games I haven't gotten to yet, I have tons to keep me occupied when the inevitable shortage on the Wii happens.

And Kali, it's not a battle, it's a difference of opinion *sharpens his blade* :-)

kali o. wrote:

Zeus wrote:Nintendo fans champion gameplay 'cause their graphics aren't as good and the Sony/Microshaft fans champion graphics over gameplay 'cause even they know that the gameplay in Nintendo games is superior. Not type of gameplay, but quality is what we're talkng about here. Even you, the most vocal Nintendo-hater here, can't argue that one.

Gah, the sad thing is you actually believe that. Yes, PS3/360 fans are all graphic whores who don't care about "gameplay" (whatever the fuck that means). Nintendo OWNS gameplay man...

Sheesh. You can have both, believe it or not. Also, as may surprise you, alot of people DON'T like Nintendo games because of their simplistic "gameplay"...afterall, Nintendo's fanbase has been steadily dropping for 3 generations now. Maybe that says something huh?

As I've said countless times before, I don't care if you think Nintendo is the best - but to hear you try to state bullshit like above as fact definately deserves a response.

And PS - you only have to look as far as FarCry or COD3 to see "3x GC graphics" is a load of shit.

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http://media.wii.ign.com/media/815/815492/imgs_1.html
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/846/846381/imgs_1.html

not to be an ass but.....foot in mouth man. the sad fact is is you're inane ranting sure as hell isn't championing your cause. All it's doing is making me go....wo....so this is what next-gen graphics whores are like. insulting, rude, and complete douchebags who ignore what anyone else thinks of what they like because it doesn't match up with you exactly oh mighty omnipotent one. stop being a douche and let us be interested in what we are interested.....although yes......zeus is an idiot... :p

wait....did I say not to be an ass.....scratrch that. I fully meant to be an ass........

*sigh* Where is G-man when you need him......

Chris Hansbrough wrote: not to be an ass but.....foot in mouth man. the sad fact is is you're inane ranting sure as hell isn't championing your cause. All it's doing is making me go....wo....so this is what next-gen graphics whores are like. insulting, rude, and complete douchebags who ignore what anyone else thinks of what they like because it doesn't match up with you exactly oh mighty omnipotent one. stop being a douche and let us be interested in what we are interested.....although yes......zeus is an idiot... :p

wait....did I say not to be an ass.....scratrch that. I fully meant to be an ass........

*sigh* Where is G-man when you need him......

Huh...so you made a post being an ass calling me out for being an ass? Good job kiddo - still the witty and intelligent mental midget you've always been.

Get back on your meds or something.

bovine wrote:....Does this make me a fanboy? shit I hope not.

Nah, doesn't sound like it (or at least, you aren't spouting the same BS I'm getting tired of hearing). Your reasoning sounds like "you like Nintendo games"...which makes perfect sense to me.

kali o. wrote:

Chris Hansbrough wrote: not to be an ass but.....foot in mouth man. the sad fact is is you're inane ranting sure as hell isn't championing your cause. All it's doing is making me go....wo....so this is what next-gen graphics whores are like. insulting, rude, and complete douchebags who ignore what anyone else thinks of what they like because it doesn't match up with you exactly oh mighty omnipotent one. stop being a douche and let us be interested in what we are interested.....although yes......zeus is an idiot... :p

wait....did I say not to be an ass.....scratrch that. I fully meant to be an ass........

*sigh* Where is G-man when you need him......

Huh...so you made a post being an ass calling me out for being an ass? Good job kiddo - still the witty and intelligent mental midget you've always been.

Get back on your meds or something.

bovine wrote:....Does this make me a fanboy? shit I hope not.

Nah, doesn't sound like it (or at least, you aren't spouting the same BS I'm getting tired of hearing). Your reasoning sounds like "you like Nintendo games"...which makes perfect sense to me.

says the guy with your avatar. All you've been is an insulting douchefuck all through this thread insulting just about everyone because they disagree with you. you make seeker look tolerable. grow some fucking class so I can actually take your opinions seriously....ass hole

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:System wars? How old are we?

Fucking ay. Are we really that bored that we have to do this <i>your</i> system crap?

Chris Hansbrough wrote:
says the guy with your avatar. All you've been is an insulting douchefuck all through this thread insulting just about everyone because they disagree with you. you make seeker look tolerable. grow some fucking class so I can actually take your opinions seriously....ass hole

The little unstable psychopath thinks I give a shit about his muddled viewpoint or if he "takes my opinions seriously"? And a shot on my avatar?!? Oh noes! Haha, I better take that seriously!

Tell ya what ya tart, you go back in this thread and find two things for me:

1) Where I attack someone personally beside you, ya mentally stunted retard (MAYBE, you can say Andrew, but I threw back nothing more than I was given and truthfully didn't mean an ounce of it anyway since I was admittedly ranting afterall)

2) Where you contribute anything to this thread resembling a sensible, non-personal attack/thought and thus have even the smallest measure of a legitmate platform.

Get back to me when you med up or get some therapy, fuckwit.

Kupek wrote: Fucking ay. Are we really that bored that we have to do this <i>your</i> system crap?

Ya, I'm that bored.

Kupek wrote:

Andrew, Killer Bee wrote:System wars? How old are we?

Fucking ay. Are we really that bored that we have to do this <i>your</i> system crap?

Hey, at least this thread has brought in some posts. The bots have been posting more than us here recently

kali o. wrote:

Chris Hansbrough wrote:
says the guy with your avatar. All you've been is an insulting douchefuck all through this thread insulting just about everyone because they disagree with you. you make seeker look tolerable. grow some fucking class so I can actually take your opinions seriously....ass hole

The little unstable psychopath thinks I give a shit about his muddled viewpoint or if he "takes my opinions seriously"? And a shot on my avatar?!? Oh noes! Haha, I better take that seriously!

Tell ya what ya tart, you go back in this thread and find two things for me:

1) Where I attack someone personally beside you, ya mentally stunted retard (MAYBE, you can say Andrew, but I threw back nothing more than I was given and truthfully didn't mean an ounce of it anyway since I was admittedly ranting afterall)

2) Where you contribute anything to this thread resembling a sensible, non-personal attack/thought and thus have even the smallest measure of a legitmate platform.

Get back to me when you med up or get some therapy, fuckwit.

Kupek wrote: Fucking ay. Are we really that bored that we have to do this <i>your</i> system crap?

Ya, I'm that bored.

I havn't contributed anything to this thread other than calling you what you are. a classless douchebag with no respect for anyone else. go back to middle school you emotionally stunted midget.

Zeus wrote: Hey, at least this thread has brought in some posts. The bots have been posting more than us here recently

That's two recent Nintendo related posts I helped to push to 40+ posts These threads need less hate though and more skillful posturing.

Chris Hansbrough wrote:...you emotionally stunted midget.

Sheesh, raged so hard that you are forced to steal my material or are you really that pathetically stupid? Haha, keep flexing that muddled and medicated brain of yours.

PS - Good job dodging half of it, in spite of your concession.

no I'm just really enjoying watching you squirm and go rabid coming up with as much vitriol to throw my direction. please continue. it is filling me with confidence and glee. cause at least now I know there is someone out there who is more of a douchebag than me. squirm away little worm, squirm away

Chris Hansbrough wrote:no I'm just really enjoying watching you squirm and go rabid coming up with as much vitriol to throw my direction. please continue. it is filling me with confidence and glee. cause at least now I know there is someone out there who is more of a douchebag than me. squirm away little worm, squirm away

Ah, I see. Well, ya got me kid. I am "squirming" and rabid (raged? stealing more material?) and I am the one throwing "vitriol" in your direction.

You ended it pretty well though - the old standby...self proclaimed victory through interaction, receiving a response and then interposing whatever emotion or reaction you decide is suitable for me to have.

Heh, don't stop there my walking punchline, keep the predictable prose coming. Your next reply should be something like: "You aren't even worth my time anymore you classless doucheshit. I'm done with you unclassy douchebag. Douchefucks like you have no class."

Then you can walk away from this thread, mentally patting yourself on the back for the well-earned verbal victory as you count out your daily dosage of meds and trace familiar tracks with a razorblade along your well-abused wrists.

It'll be awesome, I can see it now.

I like Nintendo games.

Oracle wrote:I like Nintendo games.

WHOA!!! Me, too!!!

Lox wrote:

Oracle wrote:I like Nintendo games.

WHOA!!! Me, too!!!

Fanboy.

Flip wrote:

Lox wrote:

Oracle wrote:I like Nintendo games.

WHOA!!! Me, too!!!

Fanboy.

What are you, a Sony bitch?