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Just to see if i'm going crazy.

I don't think it's really a relevant question.

They both had tech all over the place, within the framework of the games. However, in FF7 the technology was (more) central to the plot. That's probably what you're thinking of.

Boo on you for not voting.

That is certainly true, what Nev says. Though FF6 and FF7 I do consider to have very similar levels of technology. Both had technological capitals in Vector and Midgard. Both had research facilities used for extracting magical energy, in FF7 it was Mako energy, and in FF6 it was Magitech energy.

Militarywise, Vector was more advanced than Shinra. Infantry both used guns and blasters of Vector and Shinra. Though Vector had Magitech armour along with other robotic contraptions (including the Guardian, which was the Warmech of FF6) and the Imperial Airforce (which attack the airship on their retreat from Vector in the late world of balance phase) their military technology more advanced in my opinion. Communication though, was less advanced in FF6, they still used carrier pidgeons (which goes reltively against the technology seen in other places, I am quite sure this was more for style than anything).

Figaro castle, is a medieval castle on the surface, and a giant vehicle underneath. It has motorized equipment all throughout, this kind of technology is reletively unheard of in FF7.

The world of FF6 as a whole greatly resembles late 19th century/early 20th century Europe, with its railways, industrial style mines, culture surrounding the opera, Imperial forces, etc... Though it also goes into mythological culture. FF7 is actually fairly similar in this respect, though Midgard more resembles the British Empire rather than the German Empire that Vector resembled.

Zozo very much resembled a 20th/21st century city in ruins overrun with crime.

Who has the more advanced military? Midgar's military which has a few trucks, a few ships, and soldiers with guns. Or Vector's military which has all of that, plus giant mechanical armour units, and a powerful air force? not much question there.

I said FF7 had more because it was more advanced and more prevalent. They had guns and lasers. FF6 was basically in the middle of its own Industrial Revolution.

FF6 had guns and lasers as well. On top of giant mechs and an air force, which FF7 did not have.

The technology of FF6 is your general ancient technology hocus-pocus and is perfectly substitutable with magic. Magitek describes it quite well. Where do you get the power to drill a castle through solid rock? How come no one thought of using that power offensively?

Most of the "advanced" technology in FF6 is magic related. In FF7, the advanced technology depended on magic as well, but more as a fuel source. I had the feeling that the technology in FF6 wouldn't work at all without magic, whereas in FF7 they just needed a cheap power source.

Anyway, I still see the FF6 world as being in the middle of an industrial revolution, and the FF7 world as post-industrial revolution. The cities in FF7 were closer to our cities than FF6. So, Flip, you're not crazy. Seek's just doing his normal thing.

Kupek wrote:Most of the "advanced" technology in FF6 is magic related. In FF7, the advanced technology depended on magic as well, but more as a fuel source. I had the feeling that the technology in FF6 wouldn't work at all without magic, whereas in FF7 they just needed a cheap power source.

Anyway, I still see the FF6 world as being in the middle of an industrial revolution, and the FF7 world as post-industrial revolution. The cities in FF7 were closer to our cities than FF6. So, Flip, you're not crazy. Seek's just doing his normal thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAFgh2iPl_A Watch the video. There are machine guns that I do not think rely on magic. I do agree that FF7's society, but only Midgar, resembles ours; the rest of FF7 society is reletively primitive. I also agree that FF6's society is easily very based on late 19th century and early 20th century society and culture; as I explained elsewhere. What I do not agree with is that FF7 has more advanced technology than FF6, at least not when it comes to industry and military; from what I see, Vector has more advanced weaponry, and a more advanced industry. FF7 has more advanced civilian technology. Do you disagree with that?

Though FF8 really trumps them both, the Gardens, Lunatic Pandora, and Esthar as a whole (which even has its own space station) is much further advanced in all aspects.

The fact that other cities in FF7 are far less developed is because there aren't very many Mako Reactors around to provide the necessary power for a lifestyle like Midgar. Remember Midgar needed 8 of those and they're spewing out a considerable amount of junk into the lifestream to keep the Mako Reactors going, so it's not something you want to build in your backyard. In fact it's quite similar to a nuclear power plant.

Crap...I voted FF6, but I meant FF7.

Way to go Lox, you must have been one of the 6.

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haha...no, I voted for WWE being the most redneckish in that one. I didn't make a mistake then.

Hey Flip, I don't give a crap about pro wrestling or golf anymore, why are you bringing it up? It is completely irrelevant.

This current poll is also not what I was arguing (which is why I didn't vote), I was not arguing which game had more technology (FF7 has more technology demonstrated), I was arguing that Final Fantasy 6 was the first game to use technology, and that they are around the same technological level; both are industrialized, both have lasers, both have machine guns. FF7's civilian technology is obviously more advanced than FF6; FF6's military and industrial technology is obviously more advanced than FF7's. Do you disagree?

I walked away from FF7 thinking that Square incorporated much more technology into this game and it seemed fresh to me. Seeing as how it seemed this way, i must not have thought the same about FF6. As a whole.

You said, "FF7's technology level is about identical to FF6's." I did not have that impression at all having played both games. I guess instead of asking "Which had more technology" I should have added 'level' in there someplace, who knows, the results would be the same.

Again: I was arguing that Final Fantasy 6 was the first game to use technology, and that they are around the same technological level; both are industrialized, both have lasers, both have machine guns. FF7's civilian technology is obviously more advanced than FF6; FF6's military and industrial technology is obviously more advanced than FF7's. Do you disagree?

I told you the statement i disagreed with, which was right out of your mouth. Now you want to amend your statement? Your new question isnt relevant because it wasnt what you said that started all this.

Also, FF6 isnt the first game to use technology because while it had a drill on a castle, FF4 had a drill on an airship and a bomb on Cid, so whats the point arguing which used what first?

Everyone agrees that FF7 was the first to REALLY incorporate technology to take the franchise to a new fantasy/sci-fi level that wasnt there in the previous games, do you disagree with that?

You are taking the statement out of context. You were stating that Final Fantasy 7 was the first game to use a technology/fantasy mix, which I disagreed with. I have explained already why I see the technology level of FF7 and FF6 to be similar; and I supported my claims with video evidence. You based your claims on a "feeling," but no solid supporting evidence.

Everyone agrees that FF7 was the first to REALLY incorporate technology to take the franchise to a new fantasy/sci-fi level that wasnt there in the previous games, do you disagree with that?

Actually I don't see anyone saying that at all, except you. FF6 incorporated technology (yes, it really did) before FF7 did; and FF6 took the series to a new level that did not exist in previous games as well. Almost all of the games have taken the series to a new level in one way or another. Guess what, FF12 came with a DVD to support my claim on that too, the developers agree with that statement; check out the section on the history of the Final Fantasy series.

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