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bovine wrote:(who the fuck, seriously, says "queue when referring to a line up?)

Industrial engineers, computer scientists and the Brits.

Does anyone here even want one? Now, I mean, not in the future. What's out now that's worth paying $600 to play?

Kupek wrote:

bovine wrote:(who the fuck, seriously, says "queue when referring to a line up?)

Industrial engineers, computer scientists and the Brits.

Does anyone here even want one? Now, I mean, not in the future. What's out now that's worth paying $600 to play?

DOOD! Resistance WILL PWN ALL LSE!!!!

The lack of must have launch titles made me not even try.

Some guy on my motorcycle forum has three and claims to be making a ton off of eBay with them.

Kupek wrote:

bovine wrote:(who the fuck, seriously, says "queue when referring to a line up?)

Industrial engineers, computer scientists and the Brits.

Does anyone here even want one? Now, I mean, not in the future. What's out now that's worth paying $600 to play?

I do want one, but not as much as Wii. It is not that I can't afford 600 bucks either, it is just that I refuse to pay 600 bucks for a gaming console based on the same principle that I refuse to pay 6 dollars for a baked potatoe.

600 seems reasonable considering the demand. I dont think 6 dollar potatoes would sell out very well. Sony admits to losing money on hardware, so they defenitely cram 600 or more worth of stuff and effort in their system.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Analyst ... 1140473229
A 6 dollar potatoe has the same stuff as a regular potatoe. PS3 is a deal considering you are buying something worth more than you payed for it. I can gurantee you Nintendo is making money off their hardware. Technically, you are doing better going with Sony as you are not overpaying for the product.

I think it will be worth it when i buy it, but id like to go to the store, grab one, pay for it, and leave. Not camp out for 5 days only to still not get a ticket because i'm 31st in line.

Rethinking that, though, i guess it depends ultimately on entertainment value, which is hard to put a price on. If you get just as much fun from a 250 system ad you would a 600, then nothing else really matters...

Bingo. While the hardware itself may be worth more than $600, I don't think a toy to play videogames is worth $600.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the "technically you're getting $900 worth of stuff in the PS3 so $600 is a steal" thinking. To me, $600 is way more than I ever plan to spend on a console. It's like my grandfather who buys stuff at the grocery store that he doesn't really want because he has a coupon. Yes, technically he's saving money, but only if he wanted the thing to begin with.

I don't want a Blu-Ray player. I don't want any of the PS3 games available now or in the near future. I don't want a media center for my entertainment center. I just want fun games.

That's why I'm buying the Wii. For $250, it's within the price I'm willing to pay and the controller is really fun to use (I got to try one at the local EB Games).

Kupek wrote:Bingo. While the hardware itself may be worth more than $600, I don't think a toy to play videogames is worth $600.

But if you view it as a cheap Blue-Ray DVD player that also has the ability to play games, all of a sudden it's worth it big-time...if you care about Blue-Ray DVDs....

Which I don't. I'm generally a late adopter in technology. I'll let the industry slug it out and come to a consensus on what the successor to DVD will be. For now, DVD is plenty good for me.

I dont even know why HD-DVD has any corporate support behind it when Blu-Ray holds twice as much... BR SHOULD be the media format of the future, but Sony will probably muck it up somehow.

Is there any difference in cost to produce HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray? How is Sony controlling the use of the technology?

Those are questions I'd ask as a company looking to adopt one of the formats. All things equal, it seems like Blu-Ray is better, but there could be other factors at work.

Personally, I don't see much of a point in either format right now. At least not for movies.

I just browsed the Wikipedia articles because I was curious about that myself. It looks like HD DVD is to Blu-Ray as VHS is to Betamax; while Blu-Ray is technically superior, HD DVD is cheaper to make right now.

The history of that Betamax vs VHS battle is pretty interesting. Sony has a bad history of mucking up their proprietary formats. MiniDisks come to mind. You'd think they would eventually learn and profit on their superior media's some how while letting other companies use them, too.

So, who knows. If Blu-Ray becomes useless, then that would suck a big one for PS3 buyers.

Not completely, it would be a good thing for Sony's videogame division. It means that they have a format by which piracy would become less likely.

Though I do feel that Blu Ray is unnecessary for videogames right now. Look at what Xbox 360 has fit on DVD. Though some PS2 games (like Xenosaga episode 3) require multiple DVDs (I haven't seen one that needs more than 2), they fit all of FF10, and then FF12 on one DVD. Xenosaga Episode 3 had like 7 hours of FMV, so it is reasonable to expect them to use 2 DVDs, it doesn't really make a huge difference though.


I don't know if Blu-Ray will remain a superior format before it has time to get popular though. Who knows what we'll have down the road. We may have a new sort of disk or chip that is reletively inexpensive, that can hold 3500 GBs of information. It sounds ridiculous now, but think back to before DVDs were well known, and then consider what technology like Blu Ray and HD DVD would sound like.

Lox wrote:Is there any difference in cost to produce HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray? How is Sony controlling the use of the technology?

Those are questions I'd ask as a company looking to adopt one of the formats. All things equal, it seems like Blu-Ray is better, but there could be other factors at work.

Personally, I don't see much of a point in either format right now. At least not for movies.

They're called "patents" :-)

I personally think that Blu-ray AND HD-DVD are both going the way of the LD: they're both better than DVD in every way, the way LD was better than VHS, but it ain't gonna work for movies. No one wants a format change right now, it's too early. They'll only survive as a storage device and will be dead as a movie format

No reason at all to get it @ launch. At least the original PS2 had MGS2 come out aroundish the same time.

The Wii & Zelda on the other hand =o

Then again, I do wish I could have exploited that ebay angle....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161967.ht ... ws;title;3

bovine wrote:(who the fuck, seriously, says "queue when referring to a line up?)

What the hell is a line up?! You guys should just call your language American and be done with it .

Flip wrote:Sony has a bad history of mucking up their proprietary formats.

One of Blu-ray's saving graces is that it's not a proprietary Sony format: it was co-developed by Matsushita, Pioneer, Phillips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung and Sony (so it's closer to the DVD format than something like Minidisc). Sony is just pushing it really hard.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nintendo-Wii-Consol ... dZViewItem This Wii + Zelda and Red Steel is up to 2000 dollars after 24 bids. Which is something I don't understand since Wii is a plentiful system which already has millions of units ready to ship.

Ever consider the bids could be fake?

I have a lot of connections, I don't need to worry about "line-up" or "queue" being in my vocabulary =P